Turkish Military Coup

Patrick_Swayze

Surprised this hasn’t been put up here yet.

I’m convinced that the Turkish military coup was orchestrated by the Govt.

About 6000 soldiers were involved in a coo that lasted less than 24 hours.

So why do I think it was an inside job by President Erdogan’s Govt?

1) It was one of the most miserable coup attempts I’ve ever seen. Surely if they planned on taking power, they would’ve had more than a feeble force of 6000 soldiers.

2) They were overturned very quickly within 24 hours. This discourages any opposition parties who are considering similar action to not carry out any plans

3) President Erdogan has come under fire recently from many opposition parties. He issued the arrest of over 2,700 judges on the back of the coup. This more less stops the courts from existing as normal. Now he will most likely be able to jail whoever he feels like as martial law will take affect in some shape or form allowing him to rid of political rivals. Where have we seen this before? Hitler burning down the Reichstag perhaps? He did so for the exact reasons stated above, he blamed the communists to turn public opinion against the communists and gave Hitler and excuse to jail them.

4) It was reported on Sky that recently the military and Erdogan had come to agreements only a matter of weeks ago and that relations between the Govt. and military were at an all time high. Perhaps a failed coup was part of the agreement. Then all of a sudden the military tries to take over. Questionable

5) Lastly, and I’m open to be corrected here, all the videos coming out of Turkey showing the public overpowering the military tanks to show their faith in Erdogan looked a bit staged to me. As well as this there was footage released (cant find a link now) that shows the national broadcasters resisting the military in the TV studios. This is staged in my opinion, who resists a military attacking a studio? Again footage is released to show the public support Erdogan.

I’d like to know if anyone agrees/disagrees with me on any of the above.

This thread mightn’t get as much interest as it’s Turkey we’re talking about who are a big distance away but I’m convinced it’s an inside job.

weisses

He did organize it

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-security-eu-hahn-idUSKCN0ZY0EA?il=0

Dohnjoe

Patrick_Swayze wrote: »

1) It was one of the most miserable coup attempts I’ve ever seen. Surely if they planned on taking power, they would’ve had more than a feeble force of 6000 soldiers.

Unless it had to be rushed or forwarded, which is what some Turkish commentators are mentioning

2) They were overturned very quickly within 24 hours. This discourages any opposition parties who are considering similar action to not carry out any plans

Mostly the same as the first point, the coup was short lived. There have been short-lived coups in the past.

3) President Erdogan has come under fire recently from many opposition parties. He issued the arrest of over 2,700 judges on the back of the coup. This more less stops the courts from existing as normal. Now he will most likely be able to jail whoever he feels like as martial law will take affect in some shape or form allowing him to rid of political rivals. Where have we seen this before? Hitler burning down the Reichstag perhaps? He did so for the exact reasons stated above, he blamed the communists to turn public opinion against the communists and gave Hitler and excuse to jail them.

He issued the arrest of the judges or fired them?

Erdogan (as a strong man) will have lists of judges, journalists, military, etc who oppose him. He would be very clued into his support base, coup or no coup.

e.g. Yanukovych in Ukraine had very detailed lists of all journalists who he deemed supported or opposed him

4) It was reported on Sky that recently the military and Erdogan had come to agreements only a matter of weeks ago and that relations between the Govt. and military were at an all time high. Perhaps a failed coup was part of the agreement. Then all of a sudden the military tries to take over. Questionable

The relationship has seemed very strained. Note: these recent agreements (need a source for them) may have been a part of the coup planning and process

5) Lastly, and I’m open to be corrected here, all the videos coming out of Turkey showing the public overpowering the military tanks to show their faith in Erdogan looked a bit staged to me. As well as this there was footage released (cant find a link now) that shows the national broadcasters resisting the military in the TV studios. This is staged in my opinion, who resists a military attacking a studio? Again footage is released to show the public support Erdogan.

If staged, then are the 200+ deaths and thousands would have to be part of that staging process

Ergodan pulled a master stroke in appealing to the Iman's to call people to the streets. This action put huge pressure on the coup supporters who seemed clearly outnumbered by the people - and the will wasn't there for the violence needed to contain such crowds

Erdogan is deeply unpopular abroad and not necessarily popular in Turkey; however Turkish people have strong memories of past mil coups and would most likely prefer a democratically elected strongman rather than uncertainty (my opinion)

I am not dismissing your points, just challenging them. I'm absolutely no fan of Erdogan, and am not ruling out the possibility that Erdogan either knew of the coup beforehand (more likely) or planned and coordinated the whole thing with the military (less likely due to complexity, deaths, etc)

Any benefits (and he has benefitted hugely) are purely circumstantial

Tzar Chasm

During the coup Erdogan flew back from holiday, He Fukcin flew, in a Learjet, the military had F16's in the sky and held the airports.

This is the bit that raises alarms for me, surely if your prime target is in an unarmed civilian plane and you have fighter jets at your disposal the sensible thing to do is either shoot him down or force him to land somewhere that you control the outcome.

Also that asylum appeal to Germany smacks of grandstanding

Overheal

sounds oddly odd alright

apparently his escort was 2 F16s,

which were buzzed by 2 hostile F16s who chose not to engage in hostilities?

Minutes after he was in the air, it was reported the resort he was staying at was bombed.

http://www.herald.co.zw/president-erdogan-evades-death-by-whisker/

CNN interview: http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/18/asia/turkey-attempted-coup/index.html (from the people who bust the bubble on balloon boy) and part 2: http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/18/asia/turkey-attempted-coup/index.html

Esel

I, for one, am happy to vote for Christmas, as long as there are all the trimmings.

I also am always happy to welcome our new overlords, as long as there is gravy. Plenty of gravy - and Cranberry Sauce.

stuar

WikiLeaks suffers ‘sustained attack’ after announcing megaleak of Turkey govt docs

We are unsure of the true origin of the attack. The timing suggests a Turkish state power faction or its allies. We will prevail & publish.
https://www.rt.com/news/351995-wikileaks-attack-turkey-documents/

Overheal

Esel wrote: »

I, for one, am happy to vote for Christmas, as long as there are all the trimmings.

I also am always happy to welcome our new overlords, as long as there is gravy. Plenty of gravy - and Cranberry Sauce.

J Mysterio

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

During the coup Erdogan flew back from holiday, He Fukcin flew, in a Learjet, the military had F16's in the sky and held the airports.

This is the bit that raises alarms for me, surely if your prime target is in an unarmed civilian plane and you have fighter jets at your disposal the sensible thing to do is either shoot him down or force him to land somewhere that you control the outcome.

Totally agree. Never mind the fact that tens of thousands of ordinary people were tracking the progress of the plane online.

Esel

The 'arrest list' would seem to be extensive, and prepared in advance. Well in advance. There will be lots of patsies (if that is the plural of patsy...) in the show trial(s).

A geopolitical situation. Film at eleven.

Thinkingaboutit

I think it's part Erdogan's Reichstag and part some followers of Gulen were lured into revolt.