Sick before annual leave

rebecca2016

Hi

So I'm on annual leave this Thursday and Friday at work. I'm currently in bed all weekend sick with what I believe is a stomach bug. All the usual symptoms and have no energy. I haven't eaten since Friday but am still throwing up etc. Obviously if it doesn't stop by tomorrow I'll have to ring in sick, but I'm just wondering if this will affect my annual leave at the end of the week. I also had a half day Friday for a hospital appointment which was booked off months in advance. It's just unfortunate that I've managed to get sick between these two things, last time I had a sick da was November '15. Any advice on how to approach this would be great I really am hoping I'll be better by tomorrow and won't have to ring in but I'm so worried about how it's going to look. Thanks guys

2RockMountain

You'd really need to check the detail of your own company HR manual. If you are sick for your annual leave, it generally counts as sick time, not leave. You'll probably need to get a cert from your doc, but again, your own company policy will decide this.

Full Marx

If ypu are certified unfit to work you cannot take the days as annual leave. If they are sick days you will get your leave back.

Hope you feel better soon

rebecca2016

My annual leave doesn't start until Thursday, I really highly doubt I'd be out until then unless it's something more than a stomach bug, I'm more so afraid of what they'll think as in how bad does it look being sick the days before I'm due to go on annual leave, no HR department only a small business so kinda suck that way!

Riskymove

In my experience, the rules are you cannot go directly from sick leave to holidays. You must come back to work for at least a day.

On the other had you can go on leave and then sick leave

seamus

Riskymove wrote: »

In my experience, the rules are you cannot go directly from sick leave to holidays. You must come back to work for at least a day.

On the other had you can go on leave and then sick leave

No, there's no such rule.

No reason why the OP cannot be certified sick till Wednesday and then go on AL from Thursday.

If the OP has a reputation for messing around or the employer is a prick, then it might look bad. Otherwise, these things happen and most people accept that.

Mrs OBumble

seamus wrote: »

No, there's no such rule.

Some companies here do have rules like that. Including the public service, I think.

They're dumb rules, but employers here apparently believe they're needed. I cannot imagine why:rolleyes: (Well I wish I couldn't, anyways.)

seamus

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Some companies here do have rules like that. Including the public service, I think.

They're dumb rules, but employers here apparently believe they're needed. I cannot imagine why:rolleyes: (Well I wish I couldn't, anyways.)

They're unenforceable though, "rules" or no. Your employer is obliged to give a month's notice before they can rearrange your annual leave.

IvoryTower

What if you were sick and then still sick when the annual leave arrived. You'd hardly go in for a day.

corvus4906

Pay for sick leave is at the employers discretion. Usually in Ireland sick leave is paid but only spills into Unpaid after a large number of sick days taken/year. So read your terms of employment to see if there's any mention of when this becomes unpaid.

You can be sick up to when your annual leave begins without penalty, aside from the above potential of it being unpaid. Just be aware of your company's sick leave policy also as you may need a doctors note upon reaching a certain threshold of Sick Leave Days. (usually 3).

What's more and people typically know this, if you are sick while you are on Annual Leave, you can claim those days back so they don't get used as annual leave - they are just treated as sick leave.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/employment/employment_rights_and_conditions/leave_and_holidays/sick_leave.html

notharrypotter

seamus wrote: »

They're unenforceable though, "rules" or no. Your employer is obliged to give a month's notice before they can rearrange your annual leave.

Curious, can you link to where it says an employer must give you a month's notice before they can rearrange your annual leave?

seamus

notharrypotter wrote: »

Curious, can you link to where it says an employer must give you a month's notice before they can rearrange your annual leave?

Organisation of Working Time Act, 1997, Section 20.

The times at which annual leave is granted to an employee shall be determined by his or her employer having regard to work requirements and subject to the employer having consulted the employee or the trade union (if any) of which he or she is a member, not later than 1 month before the day on which the annual leave or, as the case may be, the portion thereof concerned is due to commence

davo10

seamus wrote: »

Organisation of Working Time Act, 1997, Section 20.

Unless the employee is sick and taking annual leave within one month of commencing employment, the employer is giving more than one months notice that annual leave dates can be changed if they immediately follow a period of sick leave by including it in the terms and conditions of the contract of employment.

Like Mrs O'Bumble, I'm pretty sure the public service/HSE have/had that clause in their contracts of employment.