Saturday 16th July

Johner

Flanagan is such a boring fighter. Why was he fighting a guy with 9 loses. :rolleyes:

Rigo up next.

DylanAFC

If Crolla gets through Linares will we see Flanagan v Crolla?

Johner

Broken jaw for Dickens.

megadodge

pac_man wrote: »

It's mad to think this is on the undercard of a British title fight. I've a feeling this will end quick.

What happened there?

Broken jaw?

Johner

megadodge wrote: »

What happened there?

Broken jaw?

Yep, the only punch Rigo threw. :pac:

megadodge

Really enjoying the Williams / Corcoran fight. Good rough, tough fight with Corcoran coming more into it after losing most of the early rounds.

Your Face

This ref is not great.

megadodge

Good fight on Sky between Carolis and Zeuge.

Close and hard to call.

That_Guy

I absolutely hate watching fights on Sky. Halling and Watt are absolutely atrocious. More content on scoring rounds which in turn produces biased commentary.

ricero

Why was wilder fighting in alabama ?

Is boxing so bad now that they cant sell out vegas ?

Johner

Wilder is from Alabama.

4 dud defences for him now, approaching 40 fights and he's only faced one decent opponent. Although to be fair he was going to be facing Povetkin, still a bit frustrating, 37 fights in and we still don't know if Wilder is that good.

ricero

Can wilder not draw in vegas ?

Big Ears

ricero wrote: »

Can wilder not draw in vegas ?

He headlined there against Stiverne, but Molina, Duhaupas, Szpilka, Arreola ?....you think those are fights that will attract in high rollers ?
None of them are what you would even consider B level fighters at World level. Well Arreola once was, but not anymore.
If you want to create interest, then they'll have to create interesting fights.....or at the very least be blowing guys of this level away early !

Till then he'll be building his reputation in his home state, and occasionally on the East Coast if it's against a popular guy based out of there.

walshb

Is that wit Rigo? Seeing out his career at SBW fighting nobodies? P4p my ar€e!

Joe Musashi

walshb wrote: »

Is that wit Rigo? Seeing out his career at SBW fighting nobodies? P4p my ar€e!

Will continue to make his way through domestic level Brit boxers like Canelo.

Johner

Is Rigo not being avoided though?

walshb

Johner wrote: »

Is Rigo not being avoided though?

Maybe he is. I don't see that as relevant. He is in charge of his career and legacy. Is he actively seeking challenges above 122? Can't keep passing the book to others. He's hardly clamouring for fights by the looks of it.

Johner

walshb wrote: »

Maybe he is. I don't see that as relevant. He is in charge of his career and legacy. Is he actively seeking challenges above 122? Can't keep passing the book to others. He's hardly clamouring for fights by the looks of it.

Well he did fight Donaire who was the best challenger at the time. I've no doubt Quigg and Frampton avoided him. Now Quigg has lost his 0 and his belt maybe he will step up to face him?

Although Rigo is pretty small I think he should just move up, some tasty fights at featherweight. You do get the sense he feels like why should he move up, but if he wants to be a great he needs to do something quick as he is not getting any younger.

walshb

Johner wrote: »

Well he did fight Donaire who was the best challenger at the time. I've no doubt Quigg and Frampton avoided him. Now Quigg has lost his 0 and his belt maybe he will step up to face him?

Although Rigo is pretty small I think he should just move up, some tasty fights at featherweight. You do get the sense he feels like why should he move up, but if he wants to be a great he needs to do something quick as he is not getting any younger.

Donaire was last century. It's just nothing to get overly excited about. I have watched a fair bit of Rigo. He is not too small to move up here. If he really is so talented then a few lbs should not be something holding him back. True greats have done it. He can never ever be a true great by sitting at 122 and fighting meaningless fights. The ambition and desire to really test himself is juts not there at this time.

TheNap

Selby said on Twitter he'd love to fight Rigo but wont because he cant sell .

You'd swear these lads are on ppv themselves. Becoming a joke

TheNap

And i agree on the above Rigo is happy with what he is doing at the moment . What a waste .

hawkeyethenoo

rigos been chasing all the big fights nobody will fight him.

walshb

hawkeyethenoo wrote: »

rigos been chasing all the big fights nobody will fight him.

Really? How much chasing has he been doing that can be verified and touched?

Has he moved weight, for example, and began campaigning officially at the higher weight.

It's one thing reading bits and pieces about a fighter claiming that nobody will fight him, but how much of it can be taken as gospel? Sitting back fighting Dickens whilst claiming that nobody will fight you doesn't fool me.

hawkeyethenoo

walshb wrote: »

Really? How much chasing has he been doing that can be verified and touched?

Has he moved weight, for example, and began campaigning officially at the higher weight.

It's one thing reading bits and pieces about a fighter claiming that nobody will fight him, but how much of it can be taken as gospel? Sitting back fighting Dickens whilst claiming that nobody will fight you doesn't fool me.

so why do you feel different for ggg? he's been avoided and has stayed at middle weight? why shud rigo move up but u said in the other thead ggg has done nothing wrong

rigo wanted the frampton fight, frampton ran away to featherweight and won't fight him. if he moves up he'll face he same problems

walshb

hawkeyethenoo wrote: »

so why do you feel different for ggg? he's been avoided and has stayed at middle weight? why shud rigo move up but u said in the other thead ggg has done nothing wrong

rigo wanted the frampton fight, frampton ran away to featherweight and won't fight him. if he moves up he'll face he same problems

Because for me there's a big difference between an average sized Middle moving to 168 and meeting boiled down LHWs than Rigo moving 4 lbs to FW. Plus, I actually think Rigo fares better at FW and above than GGG fares at SMW and above.

How do you know Rigo will face the same problems of fighters not wanting to fight him at FW? Lomachenko, for example will hardly be afraid of him. Plus, there are men facing Rigo. It's not like nobody will fight him. So, if Dickens can get in then maybe others can too. Rigo has to take responsibility too.

Big Ears

walshb wrote: »

Because for me there's a big difference between an average sized Middle moving to 168 and meeting boiled down LHWs than Rigo moving 4 lbs to FW. Plus, I actually think Rigo fares better at FW and above than GGG fares at SMW and above.

How do you know Rigo will face the same problems of fighters not wanting to fight him at FW? Lomachenko, for example will hardly be afraid of him. Plus, there are men facing Rigo. It's not like nobody will fight him. So, if Dickens can get in then maybe others can too. Rigo has to take responsibility too.

Golovkin is indeed an average sized Middle, but Rigo is arguably even smaller than that at his weight class. I'd be pretty confident of Rigo making 118 without having to kill himself. Golovkin would be half dead at 154 !
Golovkin would have to face boiled down LHW's, Rigo would have to face boiled down Super-Featherweights, you can argue the differences in weight between classes, but it's a pretty similar problem tbf.

Well 2 of the big name guys at the weight now (Leo Santa Cruz & Frampton) wouldn't go anywhere near him at Super-Bantamweight. Why would that suddenly change at Featherweight ?
Lomachenko isn't a Featherweight anymore, he's a Super-Featherweight. You don't expect Golovkin to jump up 8 lbs, would it really be fair to ask Rigo to do it ?

There are also men facing Golovkin, Kell Brook seems more than happy to risk his undefeated record against him. But some of the top Middleweights is a different story. It would probably be easier to make a Super-Fight with Inoue than it would to make a fight with other top Super-Bantamweights, and actually, that fight doesn't seem a bad idea at all !

Both men are in similar positions. They seem happy to just do what they're told, even if they do want the big fights. Rigo especially with his background, being from a communist country, it would be difficult to be of a mind set other than going with what your management decides.

walshb

Rigo is NOT as small at 122 as you are making out. He's ripped at the weight. He should be more than capable and willing to seek challenges at 126-130.

GGG probably should move up as well. True stars really test themselves.

Big Ears

walshb wrote: »

Rigo is NOT as small at 122 as you are making out. He's ripped at the weight. He should be more than capable and willing to seek challenges at 126-130.

GGG probably should move up as well. True stars really test themselves.

He very much is, you're correct his body fat is certainly low. But his recorded weights on a few fight nights: 124 vs Cordoba (was 121 1/2 at weigh in) and 128 vs Marroquin (was 122 at weigh in). This is also only alleged but he apparently came into the Donaire fight weighing 125 lbs on fight night. Now those fights are a few years ago, but it shows he doesn't have much of a water cut at all.
I wouldn't be surprised if the only reason he fights at Super-Bantamweight instead of Bantamweight is it's the threshold in America from people not really caring about the weight, to completely not giving a **** !

You're right to an extent, but Hopkins never pushed himself into fights above Middleweight till he was above 40 and had already lost his belts. It's very hard to get out of that comfort zone when you're the dominant guy.
Andre Ward finally made the jump, but he was another example, it was a joke his fight with Dawson didn't take place at Light-Heavyweight.

walshb

Big Ears wrote: »

He very much is, you're correct his body fat is certainly low. But his recorded weights on a few fight nights: 124 vs Cordoba (was 121 1/2 at weigh in) and 128 vs Marroquin (was 122 at weigh in). This is also only alleged but he apparently came into the Donaire fight weighing 125 lbs on fight night. Now those fights are a few years ago, but it shows he doesn't have much of a water cut at all.
I wouldn't be surprised if the only reason he fights at Super-Bantamweight instead of Bantamweight is it's the threshold in America from people not really caring about the weight, to completely not giving a **** !

You're right to an extent, but Hopkins never pushed himself into fights above Middleweight till he was above 40 and had already lost his belts. It's very hard to get out of that comfort zone when you're the dominant guy.
Andre Ward finally made the jump, but he was another example, it was a joke his fight with Dawson didn't take place at Light-Heavyweight.

Yes, but at least with Ward he was meeting the best 168 lb guys and they all were fighting each other

Big Ears

walshb wrote: »

Yes, but at least with Ward he was meeting the best 168 lb guys and they all were fighting each other

Well that was true up the the Froch fight alright. After that he barely fought, mainly for contractual reasons. He hasn't had a major fight in nearly 4 years, but that will hopefully change soon. His refusal to fight outside of California doesn't help things.