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Is it legal to drive with receipt of drivers licence only?

  • 12-07-2016 2:07pm
    #1
    LordHypnos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 77 ✭✭


    I passed my B test yesterday and applied straight away for a licence. Was wondering if it's legally sufficient to drive as a novice driver with the receipt alone while I wait for my licence (about two weeks).


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  • #2
    Alanstrainor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,157 ✭✭✭✭Alanstrainor


    LordHypnos wrote: »
    I passed my B test yesterday and applied straight away for a licence. Was wondering if it's legally sufficient to drive as a novice driver with the receipt alone while I wait for my licence (about two weeks).

    Nope.

    You are still a learner driver, and L plates, accompanying driver etc are all required until your license arrives.


  • #3
    LordHypnos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 77 ✭✭LordHypnos


    Alanstrainor wrote: »
    Nope.

    You are still a learner driver, and L plates, accompanying driver etc are all required until your license arrives.

    as I suspected.. cheers


  • #4
    uprooted tradition
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 321 ✭✭uprooted tradition


    From the FAQ's on the NDSL Website:
    What should I do while I’m waiting for my new card e.g. if I’m stopped by a member of An Garda Síochána and asked to produce my licence?

    At present, customers can expect to receive their licence or learner permit within five to eight working days. After your licence has been processed you will receive a NDLS receipt as proof of application for your licence /permit. You are advised to keep this in your vehicle. If a member of An Garda Síochána asks you to produce a licence and your licence application is being processed, you will have an opportunity to produce your licence at a Garda station within 10 days.


  • #5
    Alanstrainor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,157 ✭✭✭✭Alanstrainor


    uprooted tradition wrote: »
    From the FAQ's on the NDSL Website:

    The point being that they are considered a learner driver until they receive their license in the post.


  • #6
    Kimbot
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,809 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kimbot


    Alanstrainor wrote: »
    Nope.

    You are still a learner driver, and L plates, accompanying driver etc are all required until your license arrives.

    Has that changed? I recall at the time I got mine, got receipt for my license and I asked what to do etc in the tax office, they told me that the receipt was enough proof that I held a full license. Got stopped a few hours later, produced receipt and no issues at all. I also had my L plates down by the time I was stopped.


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  • #7
    RosieJoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,516 ✭✭✭RosieJoe


    I read that as once processed at the NDSL counter, you will get a receipt which you can produce to the Gardaí. This is sufficient to prove you have a full licence.


  • #8
    curiousoranje
    Closed Accounts Posts: 111 ✭✭curiousoranje


    I was stopped at a checkpoint the day I passed my test (no L plates) and only had the receipt and experienced no hassle, guard even congratulated me!


  • #9
    uprooted tradition
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 321 ✭✭uprooted tradition


    Alanstrainor wrote: »
    The point being that they are considered a learner driver until they receive their license in the post.

    I don't believe that to be the case. When you pass your test you are no longer considered a learner. You have passed your test, you have the receipt to prove this. You are just waiting on the licence as a more formal form of proof.

    It says there that you can drive with this, and if a Garda asks for your licence this will do and you can then provide the full licence at a station when it arrives.


  • #10
    biko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    I think it depends on the receipt but it would be a pretty grim Garda to make a fuss over it.


  • #11
    CSSE09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 519 ✭✭✭CSSE09


    uprooted tradition wrote: »
    I don't believe that to be the case. When you pass your test you are no longer considered a learner. You have passed your test, you have the receipt to prove this. You are just waiting on the licence as a more formal form of proof.

    It says there that you can drive with this, and if a Garda asks for your licence this will do and you can then provide the full licence at a station when it arrives.

    Until you receive your licence that is the case, it even says on the bottom of the receipt from the ndls that it's not a valid licence. Some guards would say fair enough others might not.


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  • #12
    uprooted tradition
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 321 ✭✭uprooted tradition


    CSSE09 wrote: »
    Until you receive your licence that is the case, it even says on the bottom of the receipt from the ndls that it's not a valid licence. Some guards would say fair enough others might not.

    I am not saying it is a valid licence, it isn't even a valid form of ID. What I am saying (and the NDSL website confirms this) is that it is acceptable proof that you have passed your test while waiting for your licence to arrive.


  • #13
    Alanstrainor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,157 ✭✭✭✭Alanstrainor


    uprooted tradition wrote: »
    I am not saying it is a valid licence, it isn't even a valid form of ID. What I am saying (and the NDSL website confirms this) is that it is acceptable proof that you have passed your test while waiting for your licence to arrive.

    NDSL does not confirm this. The quote above doesn't say that a receipt is acceptable as a full license, when moving from a Learner Permit. It merely states that it can be used in lieu of a license for full licensed holders who need to renew an expired license, or for learner permit holders doing the same.

    In fact, here is a quote from NDLS on this issue:

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=93951242&postcount=32


  • #14
    ectoraige
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,105 ✭✭✭ectoraige


    Technically, you are still only a provisionally licenced driver until your application for a full licence has been processed. All the test center gives you is the certificate of competency. You still need to submit the application along with any relevant medical reports and so on. It is not until these have all been checked that your full (novice) licence is approved.

    The receipt they give you is to help explain to the Gardaí why you don't have your provisional licence with you.

    However, in practical terms, if they still ask to see a licence within ten days, it'll be your new full licence that you'll be showing them.


  • #15
    RosieJoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,516 ✭✭✭RosieJoe


    Alanstrainor wrote: »
    NDSL does not confirm this. The quote above doesn't say that a receipt is acceptable as a full license, when moving from a Learner Permit. It merely states that it can be used in lieu of a license for full licensed holders who need to renew an expired license, or for learner permit holders doing the same.

    In fact, here is a quote from NDLS on this issue:

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=93951242&postcount=32

    I was wondering about the issue of needing to have your licence on you at all times whilst driving. Mind you, it is impractical to expect everyone to stop driving when thye renew their licence until the new one arrives in the post.


  • #16
    ectoraige
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,105 ✭✭✭ectoraige


    RosieJoe wrote: »
    I was wondering about the issue of needing to have your licence on you at all times whilst driving. Mind you, it is impractical to expect everyone to stop driving when thye renew their licence until the new one arrives in the post.

    The legislation has a provision that if you don't have a licence with you, you can present one within ten days at a Garda station. This allows for renewals and replacements.


  • #17
    uprooted tradition
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 321 ✭✭uprooted tradition


    Alanstrainor wrote: »
    NDSL does not confirm this. The quote above doesn't say that a receipt is acceptable as a full license, when moving from a Learner Permit. It merely states that it can be used in lieu of a license for full licensed holders who need to renew an expired license, or for learner permit holders doing the same.

    In fact, here is a quote from NDLS on this issue:

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=93951242&postcount=32

    I have read the quote I posted a few times and I can't find any reference to a caveat that it is ONLY referring to full licence holders.

    Your link says that they never recommend driving without a licence, fair enough, but it says on their website (which is where I copied from) what to do if your licence is being processed and you are asked to produce your licence. If the answer was DONT DO IT, that's all they need to say. It they didn't. They say have the receipt there and then the licence can be presented once it arrives within 10 days


  • #18
    Alanstrainor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,157 ✭✭✭✭Alanstrainor


    uprooted tradition wrote: »
    I have read the quote I posted a few times and I can't find any reference to a caveat that it is ONLY referring to full licence holders.

    Your link says that they never recommend driving without a licence, fair enough, but it says on their website (which is where I copied from) what to do if your licence is being processed and you are asked to produce your licence. If the answer was DONT DO IT, that's all they need to say. It they didn't. They say have the receipt there and then the licence can be presented once it arrives within 10 days

    This is the important bit:
    You are considered to be the holder of a full licence when the full licence has been issued to you.

    The license is not issued to you until you receive it in your hand. The receipt is not a license. If there is an error in your application and the NDLS don't issue the license then you're in trouble.


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