Kia Optima or Hyundai i40 1.7 Diesel

tcow

Hi,
Looking at buying one of these - a 2010 to 2012 Kia Optima 1.7 Crdi, or Hyundai i40 1.7 Diesel?

Does anyone know anything about these cars? Are they reliable? Which would be the better of the two? Would they be as reliable as the Avensis / Mondeo etc.

Please vote on my Poll

alias no.9

They're the same car in different clothing, I doubt there'll be much to differentiate between them other than personal preference or perhaps the finance deal available

tcow

alias no.9 wrote: »

They're the same car in different clothing, I doubt there'll be much to differentiate between them other than personal preference or perhaps the finance deal available

thanks for that. much appreciated. is there some connection between both manufacturers?

grogi

tcow wrote: »

thanks for that. much appreciated. is there some connection between both manufacturers?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kia_Motors#Affiliations_and_subsidiaries

As of December 31, 2014, the Hyundai Motor Company owns a 33.88% stake in Kia Motors.

Likewise, As of December 31, 2014 Kia Motors is an owner in 19 different Hyundai companies. Their ownership percentages range from 5.23-40%.

tcow

grogi wrote: »

Kia Motors is partly (33.88%) owned by Hyundai Motor Company.

thanks for that. So .... Kia optima 1.7d or Hundai i40 1.7d for best reliability?? :rolleyes:

grogi

tcow wrote: »

thanks for that. So .... Kia optima 1.7d or Hundai i40 1.7d for best reliability?? :rolleyes:

The one that feels better.

tcow

Do all the newer Hyundais have the electronic handbrake?

tcow

would the hyundai i40 be on par with the likes of Avensis / Mondeo for reliability?

bazz26

Just buy a Honda Accord for reliability.

tcow

bazz26 wrote: »

Just buy a Honda Accord for reliability.

id imagine it would be very heavy on diesel tho, it being a 2.2!

alias no.9

tcow wrote: »

thanks for that. So .... Kia optima 1.7d or Hundai i40 1.7d for best reliability?? :rolleyes:

The engine and drive train are the same, most of the electronics and even swithchgear will be the same. It's very unlikely that one will significantly outperform the other. Buy the one you like best or the one you can get the best deal on if this is the limit of your options.

tcow

alias no.9 wrote: »

The engine and drive train are the same, most of the electronics and even swithchgear will be the same. It's very unlikely that one will significantly outperform the other. Buy the one you like best or the one you can get the best deal on if this is the limit of your options.

thanks for that. The Accord would be up tehre also, but i think the MPG would be lower in the accord

bazz26

Most i40s sold here are 115bhp whereas the Opitma is 136bhp. Optimas tend to be better equipped too and you won't be mistake for a Garda.

R.O.R

If it's down to just the i40 or the Optima, I'd go for the i40.

Having driven both of them, I didn't utterly hate the i40.

I've driven a lot of different cars in that segment, and was looking forward to the Optima (would have been a 2013 model when it was new) as it's a cracking looking car, but it was probably the worst car I'd driven (and probably still right up there) since they finished building the Primera.

Engine was good, but visibility was poor, my head was brushing the roof cloth when I leaned slightly forward (I'm 5ft 10") and the seats were about as uncomfortable as anything I've ever been in.

noelf

I remember a Hyundai i40 owner posting here that they weren't impressed with the fuel economy of their car .. Do a search on "Hyundai i40 fuel efficiency" on boards ..

bazz26

The Accord wasn't the most frugal on fuel in it's class but a smaller engine in cars of this size don't automatically mean they are more fuel efficient.

tcow

bazz26 wrote: »

The Accord wasn't the most frugal on fuel in it's class but a smaller engine in cars of this size don't automatically mean they are more fuel efficient.

just went for a test drive on a 2012 i40. revs at 2000rpm and still only doing 100kph, cant be good!!! wasnt too impressed anyway. Car felt a lot lighter than it looks.

murdig

I'd go with the optima,I got one as a company car last year and have done 115,000kms with it since new and not a bother with it.
Very comfortable seating although you do seem a bit far back from the dash even with seat up close.
Average fuel useage is around the 5.5l pe 100km.
Will be interested in how it is after 3 years but no complaints so far

colm_mcm

Is yours the new face lifted one?

blackbox

bazz26 wrote: »

Most i40s sold here are 115bhp whereas the Opitma is 136bhp. Optimas tend to be better equipped too and you won't be mistake for a Garda.

The Hyundai estate has the higher power engine too. I have a 2013 Optima. I don't consider it too slow (for a diesel), but I wouldn't want it slower. 115 sounds low for a biggish saloon.

Giacomo McGubbin

More or less same cars, different styling, Hyundai own a third of Kia and Kia own about Kia own about 19 different Hyundai subsidiary companies.

They Hyundai will hold it's value slightly more than the kia.

Giacomo McGubbin

bazz26 wrote: »

Just buy a Honda Accord for reliability.

or being expensively boring. Their hay day was the 90's.

colm_mcm

The few hundred i40s the Gardai got will affect the resale value on the i40. The fact that the Kia has been a more comprehensive refresh and the longer warranty would probably help it too.

Giacomo McGubbin

The Guards driving Toyota's never affect them.

colm_mcm

Nope, but the i40 was never a big seller, so it's identity in Ireland now is a squad car.

Giacomo McGubbin

Maybe in your head but we don't all have to climb in there

bazz26

Giacomo McGubbin wrote: »

or being expensively boring. Their hay day was the 90's.

If you mean by boring not breaking down or having to wonder what the frack is wrong with it now, then yes your right.

Giacomo McGubbin

bazz26 wrote: »

If you mean by boring not breaking down or having to wonder what the frack is wrong with it now, then yes your right.

untill you find out they need the same parts as every other car, but are a rip off

ba_barabus

Op there have been a few posts here regarding the reliability of the i40. Some owners have been less than impressed. Now if it's just bad luck or a sign of poor quality I can't say. Personally I don't understand what the fuss is about the i40. The styling, comfort, interior quality and price never seems to match the hype to me.

bazz26

Giacomo McGubbin wrote: »

untill you find out they need the same parts as every other car, but are a rip off

I'm sure I could poke holes in everyone's else's suggestions at this rate too.

Toyotafanboi

ba_barabus wrote: »

Op there have been a few posts here regarding the reliability of the i40. Some owners have been less than impressed. Now if it's just bad luck or a sign of poor quality I can't say. Personally I don't understand what the fuss is about the i40. The styling, comfort, interior quality and price never seems to match the hype to me.

They actually aren't that flakey. Clutches do give trouble, so if it's notchy getting gear, that'l need doing. Luckily, Hyundai have been covering these on warranty.

Other that that they are fairly solid. I think they look well, interior feels solid enough. The "infotainment" or lack of, is one of it's biggest stumbling blocks vs it's competitors i'd say.

Timmyr

I have a 142 i40 that i brought in from the Uk last year. Great car up until 3 weeks ago, clutch is acting up, very hard to get into gear.
This is a common problem in them unfortunately

Giacomo McGubbin

Timmyr wrote: »

I have a 142 i40 that i brought in from the Uk last year. Great car up until 3 weeks ago, clutch is acting up, very hard to get into gear.
This is a common problem in them unfortunately

out of interest how many miles on it ?

Timmyr

Giacomo McGubbin wrote: »

out of interest how many miles on it ?

41,000 i think!

Giacomo McGubbin

Timmyr wrote: »

41,000 i think!

But early for clutch all right, some people can be very sore on them. Does it have the service package, it might be covered under that. Hyundai's five year service pack covers everything bar tyres, wipers, brake pads and bulbs as far as I know.

Toyotafanboi

You may struggle as it's a UK import. Hyundai are looking after Irish customers on pressure plates where neccessary.

Also, don't be confusing a service pack for a warranty.

A service pack is something you pay for, to cover engine servicing. What you are describing is warranty and a dealer would have to inspect the car before anything is decided.

Giacomo McGubbin

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

You may struggle as it's a UK import. Hyundai are looking after Irish customers on pressure plates where neccessary.

Also, don't be confusing a service pack for a warranty.

A service pack is something you pay for, to cover engine servicing. What you are describing is warranty and a dealer would have to inspect the car before anything is decided.

It doesn't matter where the car was bought if it's had mean dealer servicing. The service pack covers far more than the engine, also we don't know what caused the clutch to fail, it could be fair wear and tear because of proper loaded trailer / hills / city driving etc or wear and tear due to abuse, or it could be a fault. It requires an inspection. Fair wear and tear will be covered by the service pack, not the warranty. Abuse will be covered by neither.

Toyotafanboi

Giacomo McGubbin wrote: »

It doesn't matter where the car was bought if it's had mean dealer servicing.

In this case, it does.

And that's really a warranty you're describing, not a service pack. They are entirely different things and may confuse the OP.

Pressure plates can give trouble in some i40's I believe and the classic symptom is that it's hard to select gear. Indeed it needs to be inspected, but I reckon it's a reasonable asumption at this point.

bazz26

Problem is that a dealer will need to remove the clutch plate to examine it for signs of either premature wear or excessive wear due to driver. At that stage if they find it's the latter then you're already snookered into paying main dealer prices to have it replaced. It's a tough one to call.

Giacomo McGubbin

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

In this case, it does.

And that's really a warranty you're describing, not a service pack. They are entirely different things and may confuse the OP.

Pressure plates can give trouble in some i40's I believe and the classic symptom is that it's hard to select gear. Indeed it needs to be inspected, but I reckon it's a reasonable asumption at this point.

I know Toyota dealers throughout Ireland have lost a lot of business to Hyundai in recent years, but I think you're getting confused. Of course a service pack and warranty are not the same thing, that's common sense. Hyundai are bound to honour both the remaining warranty and the service pack (if one was on the car) regardless of where the car was bought as long as the car has been regulatory serviced at an accredited Hyundai main dealer, UK or Ireland matters not. The clutch could fall under the warranty or the service pack or neither, that entirely depends on what's in place and what the inspection reveals. Assumptions are just that.

Toyotafanboi

A good dealer will tell from the weight of the pedal and bite point if the pressure plate is goosed. You'l still have to pay for a clutch disc regardless but you'l save on the labour.

But you do have to make the commitment that if your i40 happens to be the 1 in 100 that doesn't have the pressure plate issue that you will be paying main dealer labour for the whole job.

Toyotafanboi

Giacomo McGubbin wrote: »

I know Toyota dealers throughout Ireland have lost a lot of business to Hyundai in recent years, but I think you're getting confused. Of course a service pack and warranty are not the same thing, that's common sense. Hyundai are bound to honour both the remaining warranty and the service pack (if one was on the car) regardless of where the car was bought as long as the car has been regulatory serviced at an accredited Hyundai main dealer, UK or Ireland matters not. The clutch could fall under the warranty or the service pack or neither, that entirely depends on what's in place and what the inspection reveals. Assumptions are just that.

Me confused?

I'm not the one trying to pedal the spiel that a warranty and a service pack are the same thing. This is one of the most common consumer errors in the motor industry and the difference must be identified for the OP so as to not muddle them further. A service pack is to cover the cost of routine maintenance on the engine and nothing more. A warranty covers component failure, excluding wear and tear items, the exact opposite to a service pack.

UK or Ireland matters so. I never said they wouldn't cover it, but it will not be as clean cut as if you were dealing with an original Irish car, honestly.

Anyway...

Giacomo McGubbin

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

Me confused?

I'm not the one trying to pedal the spiel that a warranty and a service pack are the same thing.

I said no such thing. Rather than continually pretending what I wrote, post exactly where I said that it was the same thing . . .

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

A service pack is to cover the cost of routine maintenance on the engine and nothing more.

This isn't correct, hyundai's service pack covers more than just maintenance of the engine and "nothing more" it also covers maintenance of other systems