Banned from Personal Issues forum??

Under_Graduate

What's is this??

I started a perfectly valid thread with a perfectly genuine line of inquiry, which was going well and which I found informative and received insightful feedback from, and next thing this moderator, "Menkin", or whatever, pm's me telling I'm banned for a month and the thread is locked.

Ridiculous.

Can someone please give me a valid explanation??
As none was provided in the private message from said moderator.

The only area I could possibly conceive an infraction having stemmed from, is the thread potentially being better suited to the relationship-issues sub-forum, as oppose to personal issues, but I considered it more of a personal issue given my lack of information regarding topic in question, and less of an actual query regarding a relationship - so even on those grounds, I fail to see any cause for a ban.

This is actually farcical...

Under_Graduate

I have already messaged the moderator in question, asking for an explanation, with a response not forthcoming.

Under_Graduate

Okay hold up.

I had to log out to view it, but there was an "explanation" in the thread in question:

Under_Graduate, this thread is being closed down. You opened a thread on travellers in After Hours a month ago which not only displayed huge disrespect for the travelling community but racist statements that earned you a justified one month ban. Your poor attitude was not tolerated there and it certainly won't be tolerated here.

Your posts to date have resulted in a lot of reported posts. Your attitude stinks and I'm not entirely sure that you're best placed to offer advice to anyone given the whole host of prejudices peppered so casually across your posts.

You're banned for a month and this will be reviewed at a later date.

So let me get this straight.

You're banning me - not for anything remotely in relation to my current thread in PI - but purely on the basis of a thread I created about a month ago, in After Hours, for which I was previously banned.

Just to clarify - I have nailed the pertinent effects - correct??

Back to the topic at hand.
Regarding the PI thread, can you illustrate for me, what exactly regarding it's contents, was disrespectful toward travelers??
Despite my lack of awareness regarding their culture.
Apparently lack of information is a ban'able offense now..... you guys need to modify the forum charter in that case.

My attitude....."stinks"??

In relation to the thread I was banned for - can you provide some examples of this perhaps?
Some quotations maybe??

If this was justified, and I had used derogatory references and degrading terms towards another culture - hey - I'm all for civilized cyber chat.

Please, enlighten me - keeping in mind that, this thread was made in the personal issues forum, and any threads I made previously and was issued a ban for, from what I understand of the forum charter, do not necessarily warrant the random application of future bans.

That's like saying, a dude served a prison term for grand theft auto, and when he gets out, he goes into the chipper for lunch, but given his history, he's gets put back behind bars for ordering the quarter pounder.

You see the logic?


Can an administrator have a look at this please??
And in doing so, please review the thread in question, and reference the material which justified the current ban form PI forum...

Zaph

Under_Graduate wrote: »

Can an administrator have a look at this please??
And in doing so, please review the thread in question, and reference the material which justified the current ban form PI forum...

As with normal DRF process, a CMod will review this thread before any admin appeal will be considered.

K-9

Under_Graduate wrote: »

I have already messaged the moderator in question, asking for an explanation, with a response not forthcoming.

The ban was given about an hour and a half ago. Please allow reasonable time for a mod to reply. If no resolution is reached with the mod you can then take up the appeal here.

Under_Graduate

K-9 wrote: »

The ban was given about an hour and a half ago. Please allow reasonable time for a mod to reply. If no resolution is reached with the mod you can then take up the appeal here.

Actually, almost a day later, still no response.

I had had correspondence with this moderator previously regarding another thread I posted in PI, which he felt needed closing also - for reasons best known to himself I'm sure - because despite illustrating my intentions clearly through pm, this moderator still maintained the lock on the thread, on the basis of his current claim also - that my attitude, "stinks", or something to the effect, with no justifiable source for this claim, on that occasion, or now...

Anyways - a Cmod...?

Can we begin to explore that avenue at this stage?

K-9

It's just over 12 hours later of which most was night time. Mods are volunteers and many have day jobs. Please give them until tonight at least.

Under_Graduate

Alright I'll give credit where credit is due.

I received a well outlined response from said moderator:

You were banned from Personal Issues/RI because you are a troll. We have zero tolerance for trolling in aforementioned fora due to the sensitive nature of some posts and the vulnerability of some posters.

In June you started a contentious and inflammatory thread on travellers in AH. You were banned. Then, a short number of weeks later you decided to try your luck in PI saying that you want to date a young traveler girl and trolled for responses there.

You already have a history in PI. Advising someone with sexual issues to pay for a male escort and then implying that the OP, who suffers from self professed frigidity that only 'hot' people get laid is not helpful. You then tried to drag the thread off topic and after my on thread warning you decided to answer me back in bolded text.

We have had to snip and close your thread about your desire to sleep with transsexuals and you have been flagged to us by numerous respected users on the site that you are a troll and a time waster. The transexual thread was started soon after your ban in AH and was closed based upon your closing statement in the thread which read:


Alright, jackals... close in.
Supper is served.

I warned you by PM that we would be keeping a close eye on you and since then you have done absolutely nothing to warrant your inclusion or permission to post in said fora. Each forum has a different charter and you'll find that PI and RI simply has zero tolerance for the behaviour you have displayed to date.

I banned you for a month because neither myself or my fellow Mods have the time or inclination to go cleaning up your mess in the various threads you decide to disrupt.

I'm going to send this to a C-Mod for transparency.

Merkin

Of course I dispute the accusation of being a troll.

I made a slightly derisory remark about the travelling community in a thread in After Hours about a month ago, something to the effect of how they have an affinity for tin and copper.
From this, seems to have stemmed the conclusive opinion that, I am a troll.

About the most recent thread regarding the traveler girl; nothing within is fabricated or an untruth.
I found the responses very useful and insightful.
I saw her this morning, the those responses sprung to mind and swayed my thought process and behavior.

Outline for me where there's an element of trolling in that.

The thread on transexuals - a highly personal and private matter - yet I'm labelled as a troll for attempting to broach the issue and my views on it?
Are you for real!!??
Though, I'm glad that was locked, cause it therefore doesn't show up on my posting history, so on the off chance someone can identify my IRL, that information should not be available to them.
I had requested a moderator change the OP to an anonymus screen name, but to no avail.


The male escort?
Are you kidding me?

I am an advocate of sex work.
Hell, there's a push to tolerate homosexuality, mixed cultures and races, but being a vocal advocate of a fully legal, though minority activity like sex work is now, a ban'able offence??

I believe the post this moderator is referencing regarding the "get hot = get laid" remark, was in relation to something of that nature, though worded more with more complexity.
And I'm sorry, but amidst a thread full of crooning and back patting, I don't dispute that as legitimate advice.
Get to the gym, get the body in shape etc etc - and people will find you more physically attractive.
With all the nonsense swirling about in today's climate, youth can be blinded to some pretty obvious truths and realities.

Yet again - highlighting this is completely affable terms, warrants labeling me as a troll and banning me from the forums??


Yes please - a second opinion, Cmod or whoever else.

Under_Graduate

Alright, jackals... close in.
Supper is served.

And yes, I did include this as a culminating line in one particular thread, due to the personal and sensitive nature of the material I was disclosing.
I read other threads, and some responses can be probing, provocative, and quite nasty sometimes, in response to material of such a personal nature.

I was anticipating this, highlighting my anticipation of it, as a means to potentially mitigate it.

Yet on the basis of this one line, the entire thread gets labelled as serving only derisory purposes, being "troll" like in nature, and gets locked.

I'm sorry - but I can't make it any more clear than that.

K-9

Okay, I'll look into this for you. There seems to be a fair bit to go through, a few different threads highlighted, so it will take some time to reach a decision.

K-9

Under_Graduate wrote: »

And yes, I did include this as a culminating line in one particular thread, due to the personal and sensitive nature of the material I was disclosing.
I read other threads, and some responses can be probing, provocative, and quite nasty sometimes, in response to material of such a personal nature.

I was anticipating this, highlighting my anticipation of it, as a means to potentially mitigate it.

Yet on the basis of this one line, the entire thread gets labelled as serving only derisory purposes, being "troll" like in nature, and gets locked.

I'm sorry - but I can't make it any more clear than that.

Hi, I got a chance to read your post history last night and I'll ask the mods for clarification on somethings this evening.

Just on the above, you are responsible for what you post on the site and that includes how your post may be perceived by others. Personal Issues isn't a forum to post baiting other users and looking for a reaction, and a post about jackals like the above would definitely cross that line at a minimum. Many would call it trolling.

Under_Graduate

K-9 wrote: »

Just on the above, you are responsible for what you post on the site and that includes how your post may be perceived by others. Personal Issues isn't a forum to post baiting other users and looking for a reaction, and a post about jackals like the above would definitely cross that line at a minimum. Many would call it trolling.

Oh I agree about how I am being perceived.
And that was the clear intention.
I felt I was making it clear that I was quite apprehensive about the nature of the material I was posting, and that I was anticipating coarse and to some degree, judgmental feedback.

Judging an entire lengthy post on the basis of a three or four word culminating line..... pffff - well - we're not here to bicker, but in my view, I've made it abundantly clear that the thread in question was certainly not designed or fabricated to elicit inflammatory feedback, but consisted of a genuine.... "personal issue".


We must understand here that, our true to life persona's and characters can bleed over into our posting style and responses.
And as a person I feel it necessary to convey myself in such a way as to mitigate vulnerability in so far as I can.
Let's not go overboard here "gleaning" each others personality types and dispostions through cyber space interaction.
What I'm saying is - if I were, in a true to life situation, disclosing this information to a group of strangers, I would almost certainly convey something to the effect of the aforementioned line in question, be it through verbalization of some kind, or body language.

I don't think that makes me a "troll", to be fair.

K-9

Hi Under_Graduate, the first thing to bear in mind is PI is a tightly moderated forum, for obvious reasons. A tough line is taken on messing, inflammatory or insensitive posts given the nature of the forum and it works well on that basis.

Going through your history in PI I see 2 posts were deleted on a thread. A post about hot people at it like rabbits and the quality of sex depending on how hot the people are, and how you know this for fact. That post was deleted because it wasn't that relevant or sensitive. You then proceeded to argue the mod warning and when told not to do that, posted yet again.

On the thread you started about transsexuals you ended the opening post with the jackal comment and "supper is served". I'd say that very few, if any fora on boards would allow a comment like that, hence it was snipped out, a fair call by the mod because it was an inflammatory comment to start a sensitive thread.

You had 4 bans from AH over a 3 month period, 2 of which were for ignoring mod instructions and 1 for discussing a forbidden topic despite getting a card previously for the same thing.

Given all that I can see why a PI mod made the call to ban you. The forum is run like a tight ship and mod warnings need to be taken on board and not ignored, posters need to take heed of them and adapt their behaviour and posting style to the forum.

Given your reference to crooning and back patting and your defence of the jackals comment it doesn't seem you are aware of the type of board PI is. While you might say the jackal comment in day to day life it's an inflammatory comment on a message board, especially in an OP which often sets the tone for replies.

In summary I agree with the mods decision to ban you given the nature of the Personal Issues forum. You are free to ask for an admin to review your appeal if you so wish.

Under_Graduate

Alright, fine.

But I just want to highlight, like I said, that thread I started in PI was and is, I now see, given the circumstances, super useful, given the feedback I got.

So, I may remain banned for a month, but it was a genuine query, and a positive outcome.