West Bank Settlements and not in my back yardism...

tomofson

Does anyone else think "not in my back yardism" Could be a factor in why Israel wont tackle the illegal settlement problem in the west bank... Because they dont want the rough and rugged settler type ruining rich mans tel aviv, oh no that would be too embarrassing... Tel Aviv is an economic powerhouse and a rich mans city no doubt they dont want those mad settlers running amok there. Just an interesting thought that came to mind, there is probably nothing to it though.

timthumbni

tomofson wrote: »

Does anyone else think "not in my back yardism" Could be a factor in why Israel wont tackle the illegal settlement problem in the west bank... Because they dont want the rough and rugged settler type ruining rich mans tel aviv, oh no that would be too embarrassing... Tel Aviv is an economic powerhouse and a rich mans city no doubt they dont want those mad settlers running amok there. Just an interesting thought that came to mind, there is probably nothing to it though.

You are correct. It's not really that interesting a thought. And there is probably nothing to it. :-)

tomofson

timthumbni wrote: »

You are correct. It's not really that interesting a thought. And there is probably nothing to it. :-)

Well whether it is an interesting thought or not depends on the individual, I was just putting a spur of the moment thought that came into my head out into the open you really don't have to take it to heart.

Subcomandante Marcos

Most of the people in illegal settlements in Palestine (and all Israeli settlements in Palestine are illegal) are educated middle class American and Eastern Europeans, very few of them are the rag tag random nutjobs living on the campsites outside the compounds.

The reason the Israeli Government doesn't "tackle the problem" is because they are purposely creating the problem, it's them who zones land for settlement, it's them who sends in troops and bulldozers to raze farms and communities, and it's them who gives low interest loans through the housing authority to new arrivals to move into the illegal settlements and it's them to gives them military guards and pays for private security.

tomofson

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Most of the people in illegal settlements in Palestine (and all Israeli settlements in Palestine are illegal) are educated middle class American and Eastern Europeans, very few of them are the rag tag random nutjobs living on the campsites outside the compounds.

The reason the Israeli Government doesn't "tackle the problem" is because they are purposely creating the problem, it's them who zones land for settlement, it's them who sends in troops and bulldozers to raze farms and communities, and it's them who gives low interest loans through the housing authority to new arrivals to move into the illegal settlements and it's them to gives them military guards and pays for private security.

Just because someone comes from a middle class background doesn't mean they are particularly well educated or smarter than others. Most of the ones I have seen do not come across as very educated and seem a bit rough around the edges. I am fully well aware of what those settlers do and I am fully aware the army and other security services protect them as well as arm them to the teeth...

timthumbni

tomofson wrote: »

Well whether it is an interesting thought or not depends on the individual, I was just putting a spur of the moment thought that came into my head out into the open you really don't have to take it to heart.

I'm not taking it to heart. But it's just another shout into the wind. Do you actually know anything about Israel or are you just one of those clowns on Facebook who put the wee Palestinian flag at the bottom corner of your profile picture?

tomofson

timthumbni wrote: »

I'm not taking it to heart. But it's just another shout into the wind. Do you actually know anything about Israel or are you just one of those clowns on Facebook who put the wee Palestinian flag at the bottom corner of your profile picture?

Don't go trying to patronize me you f**king clown, of course I know about Israel and the conflict or I wouldn't have been thinking about it in the first place.

timthumbni

tomofson wrote: »

Don't go trying to patronize me you f**king clown, of course I know about Israel and the conflict or I wouldn't have been thinking about it in the first place.

You seem to be thinking about a lot of these so called "spur of the moment threads"

It's just that regarding Israel from my university days to present days I've always detected a strong smell of bull**** when it comes to the issue.

The words not one notion spring to mind with most people.

tomofson

timthumbni wrote: »

You seem to be thinking about a lot of these so called "spur of the moment threads"

It's just that regarding Israel from my university days to present days I've always detected a strong smell of bull**** when it comes to the issue.

The words not one notion spring to mind with most people.

Yes there is no doubt I have been making a lot of spur of the moment threads as I would imagine most people on here do... A thought comes to mind while your on a computer make a thread sort of thing, though I could be wrong.
Well I really dont care what you think you are detecting, I will make threads about what I feel is important even if it is only a spur of the moment thing.

timthumbni

tomofson wrote: »

Yes there is no doubt I have been making a lot of spur of the moment threads as I would imagine most people on here do... A thought comes to mind while your on a computer make a thread sort of thing, thought I could be wrong.
Well I really dont care what you think you are detecting, I will make threads about what I feel is important even if it is only a spur of the moment thing.

So no further clarification when it comes to the Israeli question then. Not very surprising. #free Palestine or something similar. Ha. Ha.

tomofson

timthumbni wrote: »

So no further clarification when it comes to the Israeli question then. Not very surprising. #free Palestine or something similar. Ha. Ha.

This thread is about the illegal west bank settlements and a percieved underline issue, not the overall conflict.

timthumbni

tomofson wrote: »

This thread is about the illegal west bank settlements and a percieved underline issue, not the overall conflict.

Though out of Interest what would be your proposed possible solution be to the Israeli/Palestinian issue?

tomofson

timthumbni wrote: »

Though out of Interest what would be your proposed possible solution be to the Israeli/Palestinian issue?

Two states in peace and harmony that can get along and be good neighbors, but we know the agitators on both sides wont allow that to happen.

timthumbni

After hearing the ignorant and offensive ramblings of so called Irish Americans on Northern Ireland I try to remove myself from issues that I really don't know much about.

Mickey Rourke thought that the only people who lived in NI were Irish Catholics and the British soldiers ffs.

Subcomandante Marcos

timthumbni wrote: »

Mickey Rourke thought that the only people who lived in NI were Irish Catholics and the British soldiers ffs.

Was this in an interview? Was it on film? I need this level of idiocy in my life to remind me that I'm not the biggest eejit around now and then.

tomofson

timthumbni wrote: »

After hearing the ignorant and offensive ramblings of so called Irish Americans on Northern Ireland I try to remove myself from issues that I really don't know much about.

Mickey Rourke thought that the only people who lived in NI were Irish Catholics and the British soldiers ffs.

What has mickey rourke's opinions of nothern Irish demographics got to do with settlements in the west bank???

timthumbni

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Was this in an interview? Was it on film? I need this level of idiocy in my life to remind me that I'm not the biggest eejit around now and then.

From memory (pre internet days) someone from here connected to the movie prayer for the dying drove him (Rourke) around Belfast to show him how things were.

He was under the impression that is was just the British (or English) soldiers against the Irish Catholic population (not that uncommon amongst idiotic Irish Americans) so couldn't understand when he was driven onto the shankill road why there was Union flags all over the show.

I really don't think that Mickey is the sharpest tool in the box anyway.

timthumbni

tomofson wrote: »

What has mickey rourke's opinions of nothern Irish demographics got to do with settlements in the west bank???

A clueless outsider perhaps. As me and you both would be regarding the West Bank perhaps.

Subcomandante Marcos

timthumbni wrote: »

From memory (pre internet days) someone from here connected to the movie prayer for the dying drove him (Rourke) around Belfast to show him how things were.

He was under the impression that is was just the British (or English) soldiers against the Irish Catholic population (not that uncommon amongst idiotic Irish Americans) so couldn't understand when he was driven onto the shankill road why there was Union flags all over the show.

I really don't think that Mickey is the sharpest tool in the box anyway.

Ah, what a pity. Would be great viewing.

tomofson

timthumbni wrote: »

A clueless outsider perhaps. As me and you both would be regarding the West Bank perhaps.

I don't know if me and you would be as clueless as he seemed to be, We have access to a lot of knowledge these days he would not of had considering it was pre internet days.

FTA69

timthumbni wrote: »

A clueless outsider perhaps. As me and you both would be regarding the West Bank perhaps.

Can't buy into this reasoning at all. You seem to be suggesting we all look the other way regarding the settlements in the West Bank - 'sure tis all very complex and we don't know the full story'. To me it seems you're implicitly defending Israel's actions here as you're criticising people for condemning something that is blatantly and utterly wrong.

And make no mistake, the settlement program in Palestine is a disgrace; there's no ifs or buts or equivalencies to be had. They are in breach of a raft of UN resolutions on the matter and are predicated on the dispossession and cantonisation of the Palestinian people. The notion of a nuclear armed state bulldozing and shooting a powerless people off their land to replace them with colonists is repugnant and should be condemned out of hand by any right-thinking person.

realitykeeper

Here is a very interesting snippet about what the geographical future holds for Israel`s west bank. The Dead Sea is presently 400 meters below sea level, but if the worlds oceans rise by just one meter, the Dead Sea will be reconnected to the worlds oceans. In other words, the Dead Sea will rise by 401 meters and it will be wide enough to for a definite geographical border between Israel are the Arab nations to the east. Come to think of it, surely this proves the west bank belongs to Israel, after all, in ancient times, the Dead Sea was much higher and that geographical border would have separated Israel`s God given holy land from the pre Islamic lands to the east.

Zebra3

Very little of the Dead Sea has anything to do with Israel. It’s mainly a lake in Palestine and Jordan.

Oh and mythical God... :rolleyes:

Capt'n Midnight

realitykeeper wrote: »

Come to think of it, surely this proves the west bank belongs to Israel, after all, in ancient times, the Dead Sea was much higher and that geographical border would have separated Israel`s God given holy land from the pre Islamic lands to the east.

In ancient times the land of milk and honey was already occupied by the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites. The Bible proves the land belonged to the original inhabitants.

http://biblehub.com/deuteronomy/7-1.htm

When the LORD your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations--the Hittites, Girga****es, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites, seven nations larger and stronger than you--

and when the LORD your God has delivered them over to you and you have defeated them, then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy.

http://biblehub.com/deuteronomy/20-17.htm

However, in the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes.

Completely destroy them--the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites--as the LORD your God has commanded you.

AfterLife

timthumbni wrote: »

I'm not taking it to heart. But it's just another shout into the wind. Do you actually know anything about Israel or are you just one of those clowns on Facebook who put the wee Palestinian flag at the bottom corner of your profile picture?

Do you fly an Israeli flag out your mother's bedroom window on the 12th?

Mr. CooL ICE

Mod: Two Israel-related threads in AH is too much. Don't know why bumping this to make three is needed.