Dacia Sandero Stepway radiator

Daniel jones

Any have any radiator problems with dacia sandero stepway

Esel

Just for more detail, this is what you posted earlier (in the wrong forum).

Daniel jones wrote: »

Hi I bought a sandero stepway just under a year ago and this morning I noticed that the radiator was leaking. So I brought it to the main dealer as it is still under warranty but they are telling me that it is damaged due to a stone and warranty won't cover it. So it is going to cost up to €600 to fix. Has anyone else had problems with the radiator leaking?

Markcheese

Dunno how old the car is or where your based or what the comment above is about, but anyway i'm a bit surprised the main dealer is questioning the problem..(unless it is stone damage) , cos they get paid (by the manufacturer)to sort out warrenty issues....
So you could get on to dacia ireland (who'll prob send you back to your origonal main dealer) , you could try a different main dealer and see what they say... you could get someone else (mechanic/engineer ) to check it,write a report and go back to main dealer / distributor... (you'll prob have to cover the cost )
Or you go to a radiator specialist,and get them to fix it , crowd in cork remake or fix your old rad.. sure theres others who do it...
Anyhow good luck getting sorted..

colm_mcm

Hilarious that a supposedly rugged crossover wannabe can be defeated by a stray stone!

porsche boy

colm_mcm wrote:

Hilarious that a supposedly rugged crossover wannabe can be defeated by a stray stone!

Radiators are fairly weak in fairness, stones pop holes on them a lot. Regrettably it's not a design fault as such, just like getting a puncture some things are beyond anyone's control.

OP if your unhappy with the price I can say an independent garage will charge approximately half that price even if they source the rad from Dacia.

Jimmy Garlic

These yolks will be falling to bits like old Ladas in a few years, a lot of build quality shortcuts. I remember hearing somewhere that some Dacia models are actually rebadged as Ladas for the Russian market.

porsche boy

Jimmy Garlic wrote:

These yolks will be falling to bits like old Ladas in a few years, a lot of build quality shortcuts. I remember hearing somewhere that some Dacia models are actually rebadged as Ladas for the Russian market.

Dunno about build quality shortcuts but all the electrics, switches & knobs, engines & gearboxes are Renault old stock so perhaps not the best place to start. Resale values are showing massive drops year on year too.

Jimmy Garlic

porsche boy wrote: »

Dunno about build quality shortcuts but all the electrics, switches & knobs, engines & gearboxes are Renault old stock so perhaps not the best place to start. Resale values are showing massive drops year on year too.

Engines and boxes mightn't be too bad. Antiquated Renault electrics would freak me out though. Maybe I was being a bit too harsh, I'm biased as I hate Renaults with a passion.

Toyotafanboi

The Stepaway variant actually made a nice car out of the Sandero, the standard Sandero is a bit grim from an enthusiasts point of view.

They are actually by and large a very solid, reliable car. I wouldn't hesitate to recommend one to someone who wants a car just to do car stuff.

Resale values are actually quite strong, are they not? Dusters hold great money, as do Logans.

This whole rad thing should be very clean cut though, it either has a hole in it from a stone, or it doesn't.

colm_mcm

porsche boy wrote: »

Dunno about build quality shortcuts but all the electrics, switches & knobs, engines & gearboxes are Renault old stock so perhaps not the best place to start. Resale values are showing massive drops year on year too.

How much is a 3 year old duster going for these days, they were €16k in 2013.


Nissan jukes have issues with radiators being insufficiently protected too.

hairyslug

colm_mcm wrote: »

How much is a 3 year old duster going for these days, they were €16k in 2013.


Nissan jukes have issues with radiators being insufficiently protected too.

Quick look on carzone comes up with 13k down to 8,5 most are at the higher end though, only electrical problem we had on the duster was the fuel gauge what righted itself and that's after 100,000k. But no issues with the rad.

porsche boy

colm_mcm wrote:

How much is a 3 year old duster going for these days, they were €16k in 2013.

They started at 16k... they can be got for 8-10 depending on spec on a 131/132 plate. They all seem to be the higher spec too. If we take it that the higher spec was 1500+ more then 50% depreciation more or less in 3 years. Perhaps not as cataclysmic as I thought.
Can't wait for the new model, that will bin all the 1st gen prices.

colm_mcm

Cheapest 13 duster I can see on donedeal is €12500

I'm talking duster, not sandero

pred racer

colm_mcm wrote: »

Cheapest 13 duster I can see on donedeal is €12500

I'm talking duster, not sandero

I'd be dubious that people are paying that price, how much is a new one now?

colm_mcm

Think they're starting around 17500 now,
I know asking prices aren't selling prices, but there's a lot of talk of Dacia residuals dropping like a stone - but no evidence of it in cars for sale.

pred racer

colm_mcm wrote: »

Think they're starting around 17500 now,
I know asking prices aren't selling prices, but there's a lot of talk of Dacia residuals dropping like a stone - but no evidence of it in cars for sale.

Cheap no frills transport will always sell, wouldn't be to my taste, but I can see why people buy them.

colm_mcm

People looking for cars that are said to be cheap will often not do the maths.
Happened years ago with used Octavias

pred racer

colm_mcm wrote: »

People looking for cars that are said to be cheap will often not do the maths.
Happened years ago with used Octavias

I remember it well, I went looking for one, mental money, arrogant dealers (nearly punched one of them for laughing at me wanting to trade in a xantia) and then I actually sat in one, they were horrible

Long Time Lurker

porsche boy wrote: »

Jimmy Garlic wrote:

These yolks will be falling to bits like old Ladas in a few years, a lot of build quality shortcuts. I remember hearing somewhere that some Dacia models are actually rebadged as Ladas for the Russian market.

Resale values are showing massive drops year on year too.

From a resale perspective your comment is very ill informed. Sanderos lose about the least amount of money of any car currently on the market. Even correlating it as a percentage of original cost the depreciation is incredibly low. Dusters are somewhat similar. Fleet companies are loving them because the residuals are so strong after 24/36 months thus their profit margins are very healthy indeed. Where do you get that poor information?

Henry Ford III

Long Time Lurker wrote: »

From a resale perspective your comment is very ill informed. Sanderos lose about the least amount of money of any car currently on the market. Even correlating it as a percentage of original cost the depreciation is incredibly low. Dusters are somewhat similar. Fleet companies are loving them because the residuals are so strong after 24/36 months thus their profit margins are very healthy indeed. Where do you get that poor information?

Where did you get yours?

ba_barabus

Nothing like a good Dacia thread to bring out the mentalist in everyone

Long Time Lurker

I deal with rental car & fleet companies on a regular basis and one in particular reckon the Duster is probably their best residual value vehicle of anything they have.

As regards where the information comes from, well simple things like first hand experience plus you can reference things like the used car guide book which (depending in exact version or spec) puts a Sanderos depreciation behind most other cars in its class. Even the revenue system (using their own online VRT calculator which is easily accessible for those with no motor trade experience) has the OMSP of a two year old Sandero at less than 2 grand depreciation for two years.

I know lot of people want to jump on their backs but condemning the used value of a Dacia simply shows a persons ignorance. Maybe people are confusing not worth a lot and actual depreciation. Of course they're not worth a lot compared to their immediate competition but that's kinda because they don't cost a lot in the first place. How much they've actually lost in monetary terms or as a percentage of their original cost is considerable less than other similar vehicles and that's all that counts.

If anybody would like to produce evidence to contradict this then I'm more than happy to discuss without suggestions about their sanity :-)

ba_barabus

Long Time Lurker wrote: »

If anybody would like to produce evidence to contradict this then I'm more than happy to discuss without suggestions about their sanity :-)

Check out the 100+ page Dacia Duster thread and you'll understand why I referenced that.

I've no idea what it is about Dacia on boards but it sends people into a frenzy. I love what they do, simple stripped out cars for people on a strict budget. Simple motoring, we tend to forget that what a lot of people want.

Henry Ford III

Long Time Lurker wrote: »

I deal with rental car & fleet companies on a regular basis and one in particular reckon the Duster is probably their best residual value vehicle of anything they have.

As regards where the information comes from, well simple things like first hand experience plus you can reference things like the used car guide book which (depending in exact version or spec) puts a Sanderos depreciation behind most other cars in its class. Even the revenue system (using their own online VRT calculator which is easily accessible for those with no motor trade experience) has the OMSP of a two year old Sandero at less than 2 grand depreciation for two years.

I know lot of people want to jump on their backs but condemning the used value of a Dacia simply shows a persons ignorance. Maybe people are confusing not worth a lot and actual depreciation. Of course they're not worth a lot compared to their immediate competition but that's kinda because they don't cost a lot in the first place. How much they've actually lost in monetary terms or as a percentage of their original cost is considerable less than other similar vehicles and that's all that counts.

If anybody would like to produce evidence to contradict this then I'm more than happy to discuss without suggestions about their sanity :-)

That's only heresay to be fair.

listermint

Always be aware there are Agendas in this forum, numerous ones, The Dacia thread itself highlights that and the same people come out of the woodwork everytime.

Henry Ford III

http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/news/miscellaneous/2013-07/dacia-sandero-sets-impressive-resale-values/

Here's a little beef on the issue.

Dacia loses an average % of it's value, but because it was inexpensive to begin with the actual financial loss is small.

I still think they are cheap and nasty and are being bought by skint former Skoda, Kia and Hyundai customers

They are welcome to them too.

Long Time Lurker

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Long Time Lurker wrote: »

I deal with rental car & fleet companies on a regular basis and one in particular reckon the Duster is probably their best residual value vehicle of anything they have.

As regards where the information comes from, well simple things like first hand experience plus you can reference things like the used car guide book which (depending in exact version or spec) puts a Sanderos depreciation behind most other cars in its class. Even the revenue system (using their own online VRT calculator which is easily accessible for those with no motor trade experience) has the OMSP of a two year old Sandero at less than 2 grand depreciation for two years.

I know lot of people want to jump on their backs but condemning the used value of a Dacia simply shows a persons ignorance. Maybe people are confusing not worth a lot and actual depreciation. Of course they're not worth a lot compared to their immediate competition but that's kinda because they don't cost a lot in the first place. How much they've actually lost in monetary terms or as a percentage of their original cost is considerable less than other similar vehicles and that's all that counts.

If anybody would like to produce evidence to contradict this then I'm more than happy to discuss without suggestions about their sanity :-)

That's only heresay to be fair.

Ah come on. Once you've got access to a computer you can use the Revenues system for yourself. They decide the OMSP (open market selling price) based on submissions by motor dealers and the values the vehicles are sold at. And if I had a copy of the used car guide (for dealers admittedly) then I could actually quote the numbers. Its there for all to see.

I've got no agenda by the way. Certainly not a fan personally but sometimes you just have to pull people up when they're talking utter rubbish. Irrespective of any of our actual opinions about the vehicles themselves, when someone starts spouting that their resale value isn't good just because they've an I'll informed predisposition about those values and that nothing other than pride won't allow them to change that view then the very essence of a discussion forum becomes rather irrelevant.

Hate them.if you will, that's not what I was arguing. Fact is they hold fantastic residual value.

Jimmy Garlic

Henry Ford III wrote: »

http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/news/miscellaneous/2013-07/dacia-sandero-sets-impressive-resale-values/

Here's a little beef on the issue.

Dacia loses an average % of it's value, but because it was inexpensive to begin with the actual financial loss is small.

I still think they are cheap and nasty and are being bought by skint former Skoda, Kia and Hyundai customers

They are welcome to them too.

Irish car buyers are very sheepish and conservative. Reminds me of when everyone was buying bog standard corollas, because they have no imagination whatsoever and don't know what a good driving experience is. Bog standard Corollas all the way. One of the most consistently boring, sloppy handling and mediocre cars ever built.

listermint

Henry Ford III wrote: »

http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/news/miscellaneous/2013-07/dacia-sandero-sets-impressive-resale-values/

Here's a little beef on the issue.

Dacia loses an average % of it's value, but because it was inexpensive to begin with the actual financial loss is small.

I still think they are cheap and nasty and are being bought by skint former Skoda, Kia and Hyundai customers

They are welcome to them too.

Did you even read your own article


The 1.2 Laureate is forecast to be worth 36% after three years - 6% more than Skoda’s Fabia 1.2 12V SE, and 8% more than a Suzuki Swift SZ3 1.2.

its making a show of your 'opinion'


As i said vested interests ...

Henry Ford III

listermint wrote:

The 1.2 Laureate is forecast to be worth 36% after three years - 6% more than Skoda’s Fabia 1.2 12V SE, and 8% more than a Suzuki Swift SZ3 1.2.

Sandero depreciates at an average rate but due to low until price the actual amount of depreciation is lower than some. Yes I read it.

Furtzy2

Got rid of my 132 Duster Alternative for €9k last August. Couldnt stand the bloody thing. Rust, ****e mpg on motorway driving. Woeful build quality etc etc...embarrassed I fell for all the spin about them :$

colm_mcm

The spin is that they're cheap, i don't think anybody is under the illusion that they're as good as a car costing more.

Needles73

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Irish car buyers are very sheepish and conservative. Reminds me of when everyone was buying bog standard corollas, because they have no imagination whatsoever and don't know what a good driving experience is. Bog standard Corollas all the way. One of the most consistently boring, sloppy handling and mediocre cars ever built.

Great insight, everyone and their dog knew corollas were boring but they were reliable. For a lot of people that was everything. How many average Corolla drivers were throwing them into sweeping bends and looking for a fab driving experience. At the time they were comparatively well built and cheap as chips to run. Imagination is all great when you were broke down on the side of the road with the lancia billowing steam from the head gasket......;)

Toyotafanboi

Furtzy2 wrote: »

Got rid of my 132 Duster Alternative for €9k last August. Couldnt stand the bloody thing. Rust, ****e mpg on motorway driving. Woeful build quality etc etc...embarrassed I fell for all the spin about them :$

was it 2wd or 4wd?

i had a 2wd there for a few weeks and honestly i found myself taken aback at how handy it was on diesel. i was thrashing it and i couldn't get the gauge to move.

Furtzy2

Toyotafanboi wrote:

i had a 2wd there for a few weeks and honestly i found myself taken aback at how handy it was on diesel. i was thrashing it and i couldn't get the gauge to move.

2WD. It's not geared for motorway speeds. On average got 41 mpg on my mainly motorway commute compared to 56 mpg I get now in the Avensis

listermint

Furtzy2 wrote: »

2WD. It's not geared for motorway speeds. On average got 41 mpg on my mainly motorway commute compared to 56 mpg I get now in the Avensis

Large Jeep style 2WD gets less Motorway MPG than equivalent Diesel Car Shocker.....


I dont think its hype that got ya :eek:

Henry Ford III

listermint wrote: »

Large Jeep style 2WD gets less Motorway MPG than equivalent Diesel Car Shocker.....


I dont think its hype that got ya :eek:

41mpg is awful.

p.s. A Duster isn't large. It's Nissan Qashqai sized, and that gets decent mpg.

Furtzy2

listermint wrote:

Large Jeep style 2WD gets less Motorway MPG than equivalent Diesel Car Shocker.....

listermint wrote:

I dont think its hype that got ya

Well I owned a seven seater outlander that did better mpg genius!...a 4WD jeep that weighed a lot more. The 1.5 dci just doesn't have the torque or the gearing for motorway driving

Stallingrad

Is anyone here going to offer the OP any advice rather than just hurling handbags at each other?

OP, do you have a photo of the damage/leak?

Markcheese

Stallingrad wrote:

Is anyone here going to offer the OP any advice rather than just hurling handbags at each other?

Wasnt that done in the first few posts ???
The handbag bit just got a bit out of hand...

ted1

porsche boy wrote: »

Radiators are fairly weak in fairness, stones pop holes on them a lot. Regrettably it's not a design fault as such, just like getting a puncture some things are beyond anyone's control.

It very much is a design flaw, if it's in an area where stones can pop up, there should be a guard put in place or it should be reinforced

Needles73

ted1 wrote: »

It very much is a design flaw, if it's in an area where stones can pop up, there should be a guard put in place or it should be reinforced

You cannot just assume because one stone damaged radiator it's necessarily a design flaw ....

ted1

Needles73 wrote: »

You cannot just assume because one stone damaged radiator it's necessarily a design flaw ....

Well the post that I quoted says it happens a lot , which would be a design flaw.

If it's an isolated incident then it may not be.