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  • 07-07-2016 4:23pm
    #1
    Mark Hamill
    Registered Users Posts: 7,771 ✭✭✭


    I think my laptop is on it's last legs, so finally going to move to desktop gaming.

    1. What is your budget? [~€1200]

    2. What will be the main purpose of the computer? - Gaming (MGS V, DOOM, etc)

    3. Do you need a copy of Windows? [No]

    4. Can you use any parts from an old computer? - [No]

    5. Do you need a monitor? [No]

    5b. If no, what resolution is your current monitor and do you plan to upgrade in the near future? Bigger than 1920 x 1080, I'll have to check, but no plans to change it.

    6. Do you need any of these peripherals? - No

    7. Are you willing to try overclocking? - [No]

    8. How can you pay? [Bank Transfer/Credit Card/Laser]

    9. When are you purchasing? In the next Two weeks

    10. If you need help building it, where are you based? - Based in Dublin, but shouldn't need help.


    From reading other recent threads, this is what I am considering so far:

    Processor: i7-6700 or i5 6500 (€300vs €200, worth it?)
    RAM: 16GB Crucial (~€60)
    MoBo: Intel B150 (~€75)
    SDD/HDD: 250GB SDD, + 1TB HDD (~€140 total)

    PSU:500w Evga, BeQuiet, Seasonic PSU ?. Have no particular one in mind, any suggestions for about €60?
    GPU:Planning to get a GTX 1070, but am willing to buy it a few weeks after the other parts.(~€500)
    Case: ? Saw a nice looking Corsair Carbide 240 suggested in one thread, but apparently it has problems fitting some of the bigger 1070s. I don't care how boring the case looks, as long as it is good (efficient cooling and quiet) and I can fit whatever size 1070 I get into it.

    Never built a PC before (although I have taken a few apart), any kind of thermal paste do?

    Do I need to be careful of customs when ordering from mindfactory.de or do they change the totals to irish VAT when I put in my address?


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    K.O.Kiki
    Registered Users Posts: 18,703 ✭✭✭✭K.O.Kiki


    Spend extra on a 500-650W Gold-rated PSU.

    i5-6500 should be grand. You probably have the budget for an i5-6600K + Z170 motherboard.

    Get a non-founder's edition 1070 - I'd go MSI, Palit (Gamerock), Gainward (Golden Sample) or KFA2.

    All thermal pastes are the same.

    Look up build guides on youtube.


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    Digital Solitude
    Registered Users Posts: 11,397 ✭✭✭✭Digital Solitude


    Posted this for the same budget an hour ago

    i5 6500 €200
    H170 board €80
    250gb SSD €70
    1tb HDD €50
    8gb DDR4 €50
    500w PSU €60
    Case €100


    €460 left, you can push €50 or so and pick up a GTX 1070 or else spend €300 on an 8gb R9 480. Both will fly at 1080p and 1440p, the 1070 is obviusly more powerful but probably not worth €200 over it imo.

    http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/500-Watt-be-quiet--Pure-Power-9-Modular-80--Silver_1032107.html There's a solid 500w PSU.

    As for cases, I like the Nanoxia DS1, DS3 is also an excellent case

    There's already thermal paste on the CPU cooler

    Customs is added by mindfactory


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    Mark Hamill
    Registered Users Posts: 7,771 ✭✭✭Mark Hamill


    OK, so current plan:

    Processor: i5 6500 ~€200
    MoBo: Intel H170 (~€80)
    RAM: 16GB Crucial (~€60)
    SDD/HDD: 250GB SDD, + 1TB HDD (~€130 total)
    Case: Nanoxia DS1 (€100)
    PSU:Corsair Gold (€80)

    GPU:Non Founder GTX 1070. (€500)
    I know the numbers are bigger, but would there be a noticeable difference between this 1070 and this 1070?

    An 6600k and Z170 would only be mainly if I choose to overclock, right? Big difference for the extra €60-€100? Would I need a dedicated cooler as well?


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    Digital Solitude
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    Bit of a difference between the 1070s but nothing major, couple of frames at best, but seeing as they'll both push over 60 frames no problem, you won't see any benefit. Same with the i5 6600k over 6500, no performance benefit


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    K.O.Kiki
    Registered Users Posts: 18,703 ✭✭✭✭K.O.Kiki


    Mark Hamill wrote: »
    OK, so current plan:

    Processor: i5 6500 ~€200
    MoBo: Intel H170 (~€80)
    RAM: 16GB Crucial (~€60)
    SDD/HDD: 250GB SDD, + 1TB HDD (~€130 total)
    Case: Nanoxia DS1 (€100)
    PSU:Corsair Gold (€80)

    GPU:Non Founder GTX 1070. (€500)
    I know the numbers are bigger, but would there be a noticeable difference between this 1070 and this 1070?

    An 6600k and Z170 would only be mainly if I choose to overclock, right? Big difference for the extra €60-€100? Would I need a dedicated cooler as well?
    1070s:
    Get the MSI model, or Gainward Golden Sample / Palit GameRock.

    The dual-fan cooler will (mostly) prevent thermal throttling, and it'll be quieter under full load.

    CPU, I say go down the middle: i5-6500 with a Z170 motherboard.

    This allows you to use faster DDR4-2800 RAM (same price as DDR4-2133) which has benefits in some games.

    PSU, I would recommend XFX XTR or Seasonic G


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    BloodBath
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    What monitor are you using?

    The 1070 is massive overkill for 1080p/60hz. Really it's ideal for 2560x1440/144hz.


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    challengemaster
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    K.O.Kiki wrote: »
    CPU, I say go down the middle: i5-6500 with a Z170 motherboard.

    Why? Can't overclock the non-K (and the OP doesn't want to bother with overclocking) so the Z-board is just throwing away money.


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    K.O.Kiki
    Registered Users Posts: 18,703 ✭✭✭✭K.O.Kiki


    challengemaster wrote: »
    Why? Can't overclock the non-K (and the OP doesn't want to bother with overclocking) so the Z-board is just throwing away money.

    H170 boards are €78-95 but you can find Z170 from €94.

    The i5-6500 actually sees benefit with faster RAM [1] which you can only run on Z170 boards.

    So it's good value to get a cheap Z170 mobo.


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    Mark Hamill
    Registered Users Posts: 7,771 ✭✭✭Mark Hamill


    BloodBath wrote: »
    What monitor are you using?

    The 1070 is massive overkill for 1080p/60hz. Really it's ideal for 2560x1440/144hz.

    I have an Asus VE278H, 1920x1080, 27 inch. What would you suggest instead?


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    Mark Hamill
    Registered Users Posts: 7,771 ✭✭✭Mark Hamill


    K.O.Kiki wrote: »
    H170 boards are €78-95 but you can find Z170 from €94.

    The i5-6500 actually sees benefit with faster RAM [1] which you can only run on Z170 boards.

    So it's good value to get a cheap Z170 mobo.

    Like this €90 Z170 version of the H170 I posted before?


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    RossieMan
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    That board doesn't support ddr4 ram I'm almost certain, was looking at it when buying.

    I went for a cheap 60 euro board in the end.


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    Digital Solitude
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    It doesn't, its a DDR3 board.

    http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/ASRock-Z170A-X1-Intel-Z170-So-1151-Dual-Channel-DDR4-ATX-Retail_1026944.html


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    BloodBath
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    Mark Hamill wrote: »
    I have an Asus VE278H, 1920x1080, 27 inch. What would you suggest instead?

    Maybe not massive overkill, it will last you a long time at that res but really if you are spending €500 on a card like that I'd suggest at least a 1080p/144hz model to make the most of it. Or a 1440p/144hz model.

    If you want to stick with your current monitor I think a 480/1060 would do the trick for nearly €200 less. Even those cards would be very capable at 1080p/144hz or 1440p/144hz.


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    Mark Hamill
    Registered Users Posts: 7,771 ✭✭✭Mark Hamill


    RossieMan wrote: »
    That board doesn't support ddr4 ram I'm almost certain, was looking at it when buying.

    I went for a cheap 60 euro board in the end.
    Digital Solitude wrote: »
    It doesn't, its a DDR3 board.

    http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/ASRock-Z170A-X1-Intel-Z170-So-1151-Dual-Channel-DDR4-ATX-Retail_1026944.html

    Maybe then this one for ~€105?


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    Mark Hamill
    Registered Users Posts: 7,771 ✭✭✭Mark Hamill


    BloodBath wrote: »
    Maybe not massive overkill, it will last you a long time at that res but really if you are spending €500 on a card like that I'd suggest at least a 1080p/144hz model to make the most of it. Or a 1440p/144hz model.

    If you want to stick with your current monitor I think a 480/1060 would do the trick for nearly €200 less. Even those cards would be very capable at 1080p/144hz or 1440p/144hz.

    Well, I wont be getting the card for a few weeks after the rest, so I can wait and see what the verdict is on the 1060.


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    Mark Hamill
    Registered Users Posts: 7,771 ✭✭✭Mark Hamill


    BloodBath wrote: »
    If you want to stick with your current monitor I think a 480/1060 would do the trick for nearly €200 less. Even those cards would be very capable at 1080p/144hz or 1440p/144hz.

    Are there any independent reports yet comparing the 480 to the 1070 and/or 1060 in terms of operating temperature and power usage?


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    BloodBath
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    Mark Hamill wrote: »
    Are there any independent reports yet comparing the 480 to the 1070 and/or 1060 in terms of operating temperature and power usage?

    Not really.

    Reference 480 TDP is 150w. The sapphire nitro 480 has a 175w TDP since it comes pre overclocked, no tests to confirm that yet. Probably over 200w if you overclock it further.

    1070 has a 150w TDP for reference. AIB's around 175w. Again probably close to 200w if you overclock it heavily. Pretty much the same as the 480.

    1060 TDP is supposed to be 120w for the reference, probably around 140w for the AIB's.

    TDP isn't necessarily how much power the card will consume but it's usually close to the average load power consumption. It can spike over that though.

    Operating temps will depend on the cooler, voltage and clock speeds. Any decent AIB card should have pretty low temps with any of those cards though.


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