What do you look for in a therapist?

thehamo

Already posted this in the fitness forum, but would like to get an opinion from those involved in some form of athletics. I have a vested interest here, but Im also just curious in comparison to my own opinions!

what is it you value most when you go to see a physical/physio therapist?

iAcesHigh

I need him/her to be relatively close to me (30 mins by car), but the most important thing is that he/she can get me up and running/training as fast as possible During last year or two I found that dry-needling is mostly the best solution to get back to normal form ASAP with most of (minor) injuries I have so that skill would definitely be a plus.

joesoap5

I don't really have much faith in Physios.
I tend to feel that they're good in the beginning, give a great thorough massage
but then as soon as they have you a few sessions they start slacking off and want to spend more time looking at how you're doing the exercises they gave you rather than putting in the manual labour.

I go to a relative now (and pay them same as physio) and I get a decent massage.
I have even noticed that they are trying to get off the hook by trying 'cupping' on me especially around the big muscle groups like the thighs and back where its more laborious to massage.

I can understand it to a certain degree especially if you've been massaging for a while and its boring and tiresome but at the same time you can't have your hand out ready to collect if you don't do the job. People will soon move on.

So I look for someone who gives a decent, thorough massage who listens to you and knows where to treat and how to treat the body with their hands. This cupping is not for me.

thehamo

iAcesHigh wrote: »

I need him/her to be relatively close to me (30 mins by car), but the most important thing is that he/she can get me up and running/training as fast as possible During last year or two I found that dry-needling is mostly the best solution to get back to normal form ASAP with most of (minor) injuries I have so that skill would definitely be a plus.

Needling is great if done correct. I always needle someone vwith extremely tight muscles before any massage as I find it gets muscles to relax a lot quicker

iAcesHigh

joesoap5 wrote: »

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Agree with this almost entirely (other than part about believing your physio - if you have a good one you should be able to believe his expertise IMO) and that's why I go and do my physio "sets" only when I either am or think I could get injured or when I need his "needling" powers for big knots Other than that, there are a few great Thai massage places around my place :P

RuMan

Having been sold Orthotics and advised not to run more then 10k because of my "biomechanics" by 2 different physios I'm not a huge fan of physios.

If I have an injury I need an explanation as to what caused it and what action we can take to prevent re occurrence. Not some quick injury fix with the problem re emerging 6 months or a year down the line.

I find that as a result of more running my body has naturally strengthened anyway so I'm less prone to injuries and have no need for a physio for about 5 years now.

I have visited a Strength and Conditioning coach from time to time. He was pretty clued in identifying issues (I was aware of them myself anyway) and told me to go away and work on them rather then have me attend every week like the physios. Unless it's rehabilitation for a serious injury I'd be sceptical of the need for physios in most cases.

Ceepo

thehamo wrote: »

Already posted this in the fitness forum, but would like to get an opinion from those involved in some form of athletics. I have a vested interest here, but Im also just curious in comparison to my own opinions!

what is it you value most when you go to see a physical/physio therapist?

My own opinion is that you have to make a difference between physiotherapists., physical therapy and sports massage therapy.
There is a place for all of these to help try to keep us running.
From my own experience I go to a sports therapists fairly often, this I feel is a big help in staying injury free. If however I pick up an injury then then is where the physical therapy or the physiotherapists comes in.
The physiotherapists that I know would be more for diagnosis of injurys and rehabilitation,

Just my 2c

Ceepo

joesoap5 wrote: »

I don't really have much faith in Physios.
I tend to feel that they're good in the beginning, give a great thorough massage
but then as soon as they have you a few sessions they start slacking off and want to spend more time looking at how you're doing the exercises they gave you rather than putting in the manual labour.

I go to a relative now (and pay them same as physio) and I get a decent massage.
I have even noticed that they are trying to get off the hook by trying 'cupping' on me especially around the big muscle groups like the thighs and back where its more laborious to massage.

I can understand it to a certain degree especially if you've been massaging for a while and its boring and tiresome but at the same time you can't have your hand out ready to collect if you don't do the job. People will soon move on.

So I look for someone who gives a decent, thorough massage who listens to you and knows where to treat and how to treat the body with their hands. This cupping is not for me.

Did you ever try doing "cupping" non stop for 5 mins to see how much labour you would save. Lol

joesoap5

Ceepo wrote: »

Did you ever try doing "cupping" non stop for 5 mins to see how much labour you would save. Lol

I know, i was thinking of buying some Silicone cups from Ebay, I must do it.

But I still enjoy the hand massage especially on my lower leg where I seem to tighten fairly quickly no matter how much stretching and insoles are involved.

I told the person that they can continue to use the cups for the thighs, especially the IT band which is nearly impossible to massage but to use the hands for the rest of it.

In fairness my last massage was over an hour and a half long.

joesoap5

Ceepo wrote: »

My own opinion is that you have to make a difference between physiotherapists., physical therapy and sports massage therapy.
There is a place for all of these to help try to keep us running.
From my own experience I go to a sports therapists fairly often, this I feel is a big help in staying injury free. If however I pick up an injury then then is where the physical therapy or the physiotherapists comes in.
The physiotherapists that I know would be more for diagnosis of injurys and rehabilitation,

Just my 2c

Can they diagnose your injury though?
Maybe a minor injury or obvious injury like shin splints.

I had a bad knee injury a few years ago and the physio hadn't a clue, he just guessed his way through it and gave me knee and glute strengthening exercises.
I still have that weakness in my knee to this day.

Ceepo

joesoap5 wrote: »

Can they diagnose your injury though?
Maybe a minor injury or obvious injury like shin splints.

I had a bad knee injury a few years ago and the physio hadn't a clue, he just guessed his way through it and gave me knee and glute strengthening exercises.
I still have that weakness in my knee to this day.

That's a fair point .
I suppose it's like every trade or profession, there can be great ones, good ones and then the not so good ones.
What I would say is that they are not magician's and can't see into our body's to identify some of the problems that can occur. This is where the likes of MRI comes in.
What they can do is access the symptoms and try to determine the problem, and more importantly what the root cause of the problem.
A good physiotherapists or physical therapists should be able to pick up on muscle imbalances and disfunction that might have lead to the injury.
The problem I have come across is that when and of the above give home care exercises, they are very seldom carried out for a period of time apart from the ever enthusiastic 1st day or 2 then thing start to fall off.
Then the injury does not clear up or comes back and suddenly it's the physio or PT fault.
Amazing how that works lol.

As for massaging the IT band. Save your friends energy and yourself a lot of pain and forget about it. There is absolutely no benefit in massaging it or foam rolling it. It's strong fibrous tissue that won't change by massage or foam rolling. If there is tightness there, massage the connective muscles, this will take the pressure off it.

Tombo2001

Things that annoy me at physios
(I) the pep talk: "we'll get you back in no time"
(II) the explanation: a diagram of the muscles in my leg showing which bit is torn or strained or whatever. I don't care, just fix it.
(III) the ridiculous phrase "activate the glutes"......could you be any more abstract there?
(IV) Lack of a holistic view of the problem. Physios always ask me to stand on one leg, stand on the other leg, stand on my tiptoes, walk up and down the room.....they never ask how often do you train, how do you train, when do you train. Not once ever has a physio asked me if I do recovery running; and yet I would say that recovery running is the single biggest preventer of injury (that's my opinion, not stating it as fact).
(V) the long wait.....30 minute session where the first 15 minutes are taken up with the physio asking questions and writing the answers into their notebook.....then you get changed....a little bit of massage and then its done.

Tombo2001

Ceepo wrote: »

That's a fair point .
I suppose it's like every trade or profession, there can be great ones, good ones and then the not so good ones.
What I would say is that they are not magician's and can't see into our body's to identify some of the problems that can occur. This is where the likes of MRI comes in.
What they can do is access the symptoms and try to determine the problem, and more importantly what the root cause of the problem.
A good physiotherapists or physical therapists should be able to pick up on muscle imbalances and disfunction that might have lead to the injury.
The problem I have come across is that when and of the above give home care exercises, they are very seldom carried out for a period of time apart from the ever enthusiastic 1st day or 2 then thing start to fall off.
Then the injury does not clear up or comes back and suddenly it's the physio or PT fault.
Amazing how that works lol.

As for massaging the IT band. Save your friends energy and yourself a lot of pain and forget about it. There is absolutely no benefit in massaging it or foam rolling it. It's strong fibrous tissue that won't change by massage or foam rolling. If there is tightness there, massage the connective muscles, this will take the pressure off it.

Twice I've had injuries where I followed a recovery program rigidly for two months plus, and the injury didn't go away.

Without doubt this stuff strengthens your core, all the squats and so on. But its extremely boring and takes up heaps of time.

It strikes me that a lot of the programs are designed to strengthen you so that if and when you are back running, you wont get injured again - but doesn't necessarily fix the injury itself.

Ceepo

Tombo2001 wrote: »

Things that annoy me at physios
(I) the pep talk: "we'll get you back in no time"
(II) the explanation: a diagram of the muscles in my leg showing which bit is torn or strained or whatever. I don't care, just fix it.
(III) the ridiculous phrase "activate the glutes"......could you be any more abstract there?
(IV) Lack of a holistic view of the problem. Physios always ask me to stand on one leg, stand on the other leg, stand on my tiptoes, walk up and down the room.....they never ask how often do you train, how do you train, when do you train. Not once ever has a physio asked me if I do recovery running; and yet I would say that recovery running is the single biggest preventer of injury (that's my opinion, not stating it as fact).
(V) the long wait.....30 minute session where the first 15 minutes are taken up with the physio asking questions and writing the answers into their notebook.....then you get changed....a little bit of massage and then its done.

I can see why you would get frustrated.
Would you prefer if they said lie down there and rubbed you for the 30 mins without accessing you?

As my previous post, I think some people (not saying you) need to realise that there are different people for different jobs.
Ad I said if I need a rub out I go to a sports massage therapist. I get a massage from them, if they find knots/adhesions then they can work on them to help get the out etc etc etc.

If there is bio mechanical, muscle disfunction or muscle imbalances problems I don't expect the massage therapy to correct this.
Equally I don't go to a physio to get a rub out. I'm sure the can do it but it's not the primary role.
It has to be said that this is my opinion and in truth may differ from reality...

Chartsengrafs

I look for someone who will put up with loud swearing during needling and deep tissue work.

livedadream

Chartsengrafs wrote: »

I look for someone who will put up with loud swearing during needling and deep tissue work.

+1

coming back from a torn MCL and knee issue i tried a couple of physios until i found the right one.

we get on really well have good banter but he doesnt take **** from me.

makes sure i do my exercises and if i havnt is clear and tells me theres no point suffering thought the needling or deep tissue work if i dont do them.

is super flexible, early mornings lunch breaks after work etc.

doesnt see me if i dont need it as well, my knee is totally fixed now and he had no problem telling me i was done with treatment. said id maybe need to see him once every month or two depending on how much i was racing and how i was feeling.

(nothing worse than seeing someone and feeling like your better and their just keeping you around for the money)

pros: super good at his job can explain things in laymans terms and i understand why i need to do the rehab and treatment
supportive during the **** times (ive puked from dry needling and the vibro thingi)
is certified and registered with the charter.
knows my level of pain and can push me past it to get the treatment done
good at distracting me from said pain
treats loads of really well know runners and GAA heads
works with a few clubs as well
clean treatment room
taped my knee for free a few times pre race when i was first getting back
took me for a run after treatment one night to prove i was getting better
lets me listen to my own music

cons: he is super busy and it can be a struggle to get an appointment.
dry needling, ive said i dont want it but he is very much so im the professional (a friend of mine goes to someone else for her back and she told him she didnt want needles and he does other stuff)
can run over on appointments sometimes which is a pain.
expensive 55 quid a pop.

Clearlier

Aside from basic competence at treatment which surprisingly isn't always there my ideal physio listens to what the problem is and regularly seeks and offers feedback. They will treat a problem and get me back running but also work with me to prevent the problem recurring.

I recently went to a physio who was so focused on the bigger picture he wouldn't properly treat the problem that I had. I went to a different physio with a background in professional sport who treated the immediate problem very effectively but isn't interested in developing a plan to prevent it recurring. A sensible combination of the two would be my ideal.

thehamo

By bigger picture what would you mean exactly?

It is great to treat the issue you have, but vast majority of the time its only a symptom. I understand frustration that a therapist doesn't work on your calf if you have a problem with your calf, but more often than not its not the calf that is the issue its an outcome of the issue.

My approach would always be to work the area that is painful but moreover find out and treat why that area is painful, which could be hypothetically speaking coming from your big toe not moving properly

spaceylou

A number of things I look for, in no particular order:

1. Flexible appointment times
2. They do not suggest I give up running (at least not in the long term)
3. They explain the problem (as they see it) to me
4. If they are not sure, they say so - I don't expect my physio to have x-ray or mri vision, I realise they cannot know for sure exactly what is wrong but are making a best guess based on my symptoms, their knowledge and the fact that most of the time it is going to be one of a handful of things.
5. They treat the immediate issue
6. They offer suggestions, solutions, remedies to prevent it happening again.
7. They don't suggest orthopedic insert thingys for everything
8. They don't give you the bums rush at the end of a session - sometimes 10min with a heat pack after manipulation will be the difference between a marked improvement and a whole lot of pain/discomfort (before I feel the relief) if I am unable to get straight home to apply heat pack.

Clearlier

thehamo wrote: »

By bigger picture what would you mean exactly?

It is great to treat the issue you have, but vast majority of the time its only a symptom. I understand frustration that a therapist doesn't work on your calf if you have a problem with your calf, but more often than not its not the calf that is the issue its an outcome of the issue.

My approach would always be to work the area that is painful but moreover find out and treat why that area is painful, which could be hypothetically speaking coming from your big toe not moving properly

Well I was referring to a specific occasion so I'll talk about that a bit. 20 years ago I got a soft tissue neck injury playing rugby. I went to a physio who helped a bit, gave me some exercises but didn't get me to a stage where the problem was gone. I had consistent pain and discomfort but I was 19, my body adapted and I found a way around it. The legacy of this though is that (apologies for the non-technical terms here) my back particularly in the thoracic area has stiffened up considerably. I typically used to get a problem where something in my neck would tear - a few days of lying flat on my back later it would repair and I'd continue on.

About 6 years ago a physio persuaded me to let her have a look at it. She got it moving again, gave me exercises, looked at how I ran, made suggestions to prevent the problem from happening again. My back improved considerably. I still get occasional acute episodes but I know much better how to handle them and I haven't been incapacitated for a few years.

I recently moved house 260 miles away and decided that I'd probably solved the back problem and didn't need a new physio. 3 months later it goes wrong and while it's nowhere near as bad as it used to be I can feel that my movement is significantly restricted so I use google to find a nearby physio. This physio was obviously a fairly recent graduate and very interested to find out the source of the problem. He asked for a full history so I start him back with the rugby injury and follow through to the present finishing with my current issue.

When I reflected on the appointment afterwards I realised that he had actually tried to treat the rugby injury that I got 20 years ago but he had barely treated the symptoms that I had today. I cancelled the follow up appointment that I had with him and went to another physio across the road who treated the symptoms and I was running immediately. However he's not interested in working out what the source of the problem is and preventing it from happening again. When I ask about ideas he just tells me that it's not too bad and that I might just need to see him every couple of months to keep the problem under control.

Too much big picture from the first guy, too little from the second. FWIW I also doubt the basic competence of the first guy as the little treatment that he did do on my neck seemed to focus more on his arm movements than my neck movements.

thehamo

Clearlier wrote: »

Well I was referring to a specific occasion so I'll talk about that a bit. 20 years ago I got a soft tissue neck injury playing rugby. I went to a physio who helped a bit, gave me some exercises but didn't get me to a stage where the problem was gone. I had consistent pain and discomfort but I was 19, my body adapted and I found a way around it. The legacy of this though is that (apologies for the non-technical terms here) my back particularly in the thoracic area has stiffened up considerably. I typically used to get a problem where something in my neck would tear - a few days of lying flat on my back later it would repair and I'd continue on.

About 6 years ago a physio persuaded me to let her have a look at it. She got it moving again, gave me exercises, looked at how I ran, made suggestions to prevent the problem from happening again. My back improved considerably. I still get occasional acute episodes but I know much better how to handle them and I haven't been incapacitated for a few years.

I recently moved house 260 miles away and decided that I'd probably solved the back problem and didn't need a new physio. 3 months later it goes wrong and while it's nowhere near as bad as it used to be I can feel that my movement is significantly restricted so I use google to find a nearby physio. This physio was obviously a fairly recent graduate and very interested to find out the source of the problem. He asked for a full history so I start him back with the rugby injury and follow through to the present finishing with my current issue.

When I reflected on the appointment afterwards I realised that he had actually tried to treat the rugby injury that I got 20 years ago but he had barely treated the symptoms that I had today. I cancelled the follow up appointment that I had with him and went to another physio across the road who treated the symptoms and I was running immediately. However he's not interested in working out what the source of the problem is and preventing it from happening again. When I ask about ideas he just tells me that it's not too bad and that I might just need to see him every couple of months to keep the problem under control.

Too much big picture from the first guy, too little from the second. FWIW I also doubt the basic competence of the first guy as the little treatment that he did do on my neck seemed to focus more on his arm movements than my neck movements.

Very interesting.

Tbh I think both were right. The first physio IMO was correct in trying to treat the 20 year old injury. But at the same time needs to offer a lot more emphasis on the current issue as well. The way it is, one method will fix the issue, the other will mask the issue by treating the symptoms.

I can understand the frustration of not feeling like you are being listened to. But I can also understand and see why the first guy was doing what he was doing

joesoap5

Ceepo wrote: »

That's a fair point .
I suppose it's like every trade or profession, there can be great ones, good ones and then the not so good ones.
What I would say is that they are not magician's and can't see into our body's to identify some of the problems that can occur. This is where the likes of MRI comes in.
What they can do is access the symptoms and try to determine the problem, and more importantly what the root cause of the problem.
A good physiotherapists or physical therapists should be able to pick up on muscle imbalances and disfunction that might have lead to the injury.
The problem I have come across is that when and of the above give home care exercises, they are very seldom carried out for a period of time apart from the ever enthusiastic 1st day or 2 then thing start to fall off.
Then the injury does not clear up or comes back and suddenly it's the physio or PT fault.
Amazing how that works lol.

As for massaging the IT band. Save your friends energy and yourself a lot of pain and forget about it. There is absolutely no benefit in massaging it or foam rolling it. It's strong fibrous tissue that won't change by massage or foam rolling. If there is tightness there, massage the connective muscles, this will take the pressure off it.

Well yeah an MRI or some other scan I agree with you there especially for anything serious.

I also have to agree with the OP who was saying about the Physio taking an age each time you visit to take down all your details, updates, look at you exercising and then tiddle you for 5 minutes before you leave. I can smell the Bull a mile away.

The thing that annoyed me about my own injury was that I did all the exercises to the letter and kept them up for months but a few years later and I still have the weakness in my knee and would really need to keep up those exercises for the length of time I run/jog.

As for the IT band massage, as I stated massage is too difficult and I never mentioned foam rolling but actually you can use cupping for the actual IT Band and it is really effective.
Don't take my word for it, look it up on Youtube and see for yourself.

Murph_D

Dry needling - very questionable procedure if you look at the evidence. "Myofascial trigger points", yada yada. If the physio talks about this (or other questionable techniques, like the cupping therapy mentioned above) and fudges the request for evidence, I tend to be sceptical. And look elsewhere.

livedadream

Murph_D wrote: »

Dry needling - very questionable procedure if you look at the evidence. "Myofascial trigger points", yada yada. If the physio talks about this (or other questionable techniques, like the cupping therapy mentioned above) and fudges the request for evidence, I tend to be sceptical. And look elsewhere.

have to say i agree, my physio had me dry needling for 3 weeks then stopped and moved to deep tissue... i asked would i have to keep doing it (i really stuggled with it it was so painful for me) he said no once you do it a few times deep tissue is grand if you can take it...

a friend was having dry needling done for a few months on her calf

he said theres something wrong there you shouldnt need it long term.

she called into him for a second opinon and a month or so later shes grand.

he said the other physio was either a bit slow on the uptake or was dragging out the treatment.

joesoap5

Murph_D wrote: »

Dry needling - very questionable procedure if you look at the evidence. "Myofascial trigger points", yada yada. If the physio talks about this (or other questionable techniques, like the cupping therapy mentioned above) and fudges the request for evidence, I tend to be sceptical. And look elsewhere.

Hi Murph,

It wasn't a physio who was suggesting the cupping, it was a relative who does sports massage and yeah as i said previously, after the first time i told her that I came for a hand massage but i do allow her to use it for the IT Band because it really does work on it and removes the toxins, you can see it happening.

I wouldn't go and pay someone for that technique and I wouldn't trust someone doing the dry needling either.

A woman I worked with had a bad back and got some dry needling done and she was fairly bad after it. She doesn't recommend it and blames the physio in question for her back problems she has now.

You have to be fairly accurate with the needles and know exactly where you're placing them. Personally I don't go near needles unless its a medical emergency.

Murph_D

joesoap5 wrote: »

Hi Murph,

It wasn't a physio who was suggesting the cupping, it was a relative who does sports massage and yeah as i said previously, after the first time i told her that I came for a hand massage but i do allow her to use it for the IT Band because it really does work on it and removes the toxins, you can see it happening.

I wouldn't go and pay someone for that technique and I wouldn't trust someone doing the dry needling either.

A woman I worked with had a bad back and got some dry needling done and she was fairly bad after it. She doesn't recommend it and blames the physio in question for her back problems she has now.

You have to be fairly accurate with the needles and know exactly where you're placing them. Personally I don't go near needles unless its a medical emergency.

You what now?

This thread is getting more wacky by the minute.

kal7

Good qualifications and personal experience with sports. Don't lightly tell an athlete to stop there chosen sport.

Not somebody who calls themselves a sports specialist and then doesn't say which therapy they trained in.

joesoap5

Murph_D wrote: »

You what now?

This thread is getting more wacky by the minute.

Sorry Murph,

i didn't explain myself properly as well as reducing tightness in the IT Band through the cupping massage technique it also releases the toxins (as in Lactic Acid) and other waste as well. It is essentially a deep tissue massage and is the latest thing in sports massage.

I wouldn't say no to its use on my IT band since the usual massage doesn't work and neither does foam rolling.

What is there to lose?

Also when I say you can see it happening, you should look at a Youtube video if you find it whacky, you see the redness and feel the itching and you can see fluid moving under the skin.

Battery Kinzie

I know little about physios and the theory behind it, but once they know what they're on about and get me back as quick as possible while also recommending how to ensure it doesn't reoccur, I'm happy.

Btw, what's it called when they put two needles in your muscle and send currents through? Is this dry needling or something else? Is it considered good practice or something to be avoided.

thehamo

Battery Kinzie wrote: »

I know little about physios and the theory behind it, but once they know what they're on about and get me back as quick as possible while also recommending how to ensure it doesn't reoccur, I'm happy.

Btw, what's it called when they put two needles in your muscle and send currents through? Is this dry needling or something else? Is it considered good practice or something to be avoided.

Its a mixture between dry needling and EMS, I suppose killing two birds with the one stone. You could argue that stimulation with the needles is more targeted to a specific muscle as compared to a pad on the skin.

Needling is a perfectly safe technique so long as the practitioner knows what they are doing. There are certain areas on the body I will never needle as the risk outweighs the benefit however, large chunks of muscle like the calf/,quad etc are fine

As regards to its effectiness, I would agree there isn't much science behind it but (and I know it doesn't stand for much with some folk) but I use it on a daily basis and regularly see great results after just a couple of sessions. I can achieve more in ,10 minutes with dry needling than I can with 30 minutes of agonising deep tissue (still comes after, but the muscle is more receptive to massage). Some say its all bull and pure placebo. I say, there's a he'll of a lot of science behind placebo, and if it has someone back running in just s couple of sessions without pain, then I'm all for it! Either way ibuse it cause it gets results.

Cupping, I don't use and suppose never will. The procedure aims to lift fascia from muscle and promote bloodflow in the muscle. As regard toxins, i m not so sure, I'd imagine the fluid you see is blood flowing under the skin.

joesoap5

thehamo wrote: »

Its a mixture between dry needling and EMS, I suppose killing two birds with the one stone. You could argue that stimulation with the needles is more targeted to a specific muscle as compared to a pad on the skin.

Needling is a perfectly safe technique so long as the practitioner knows what they are doing. There are certain areas on the body I will never needle as the risk outweighs the benefit however, large chunks of muscle like the calf/,quad etc are fine


Cupping, I don't use and suppose never will. The procedure aims to lift fascia from muscle and promote bloodflow in the muscle. As regard toxins, i m not so sure, I'd imagine the fluid you see is blood flowing under the skin.

Well of course it's blood under the skin but this would contain the cells that contain the toxins. You can see this happening as I said already with the redness, swelling and then itching of the area being massaged.

Ceepo

joesoap5 wrote: »

Well of course it's blood under the skin but this would contain the cells that contain the toxins. You can see this happening as I said already with the redness, swelling and then itching of the area being massaged.

Please excuse my ignorance here. But what toxins ?

jamule

Give us an update on them there toxins. If there were toxins you wouldn't be going to a physio to sort it out

joesoap5

jamule wrote: »

Give us an update on them there toxins. If there were toxins you wouldn't be going to a physio to sort it out

Would you not read the previous posts before you post rubbish?

TFBubendorfer

joesoap5 wrote: »

Would you not read the previous posts before you post rubbish?

What you said about toxins is

joesoap5 wrote: »

it also releases the toxins (as in Lactic Acid)

For a start, lactic acid is not a toxin. Not even close. I also doubt that cupping has any effect on lactic acid clearance, never mind its toxicity.

joesoap5

TFBubendorfer wrote: »

What you said about toxins is



For a start, lactic acid is not a toxin. Not even close. I also doubt that cupping has any effect on lactic acid clearance, never mind its toxicity.

Well Google is your friend.
I'm not going to regurgitate what's on the Web.

joesoap5

TFBubendorfer wrote: »

What you said about toxins is



For a start, lactic acid is not a toxin. Not even close. I also doubt that cupping has any effect on lactic acid clearance, never mind its toxicity.

Well Google is your friend.
I'm not going to regurgitate what's on the Web.

Why don't you do some research and come back with all your knowledge

TFBubendorfer

joesoap5 wrote: »

Well Google is your friend.
I'm not going to regurgitate what's on the Web.

Why don't you do some research and come back with all your knowledge

I did.
Found plenty of stuff like that.

"available scientific evidence does not support claims that cupping has any health benefits"

You're welcome.

joesoap5

TFBubendorfer wrote: »

I did.
Found plenty of stuff like that.



You're welcome.

Did I not separate the words toxins and lactic acid. Well excuse me.

Let me apologise profusely before all the mods and half the site have a stroke!

Where did you get your quote about cupping?
It could equally be said about half the stuff physios do and recommend.

I don't think you're in a position to doubt or support cupping. You don't seem to know anymore than you looked up about it.

livedadream

aaannnyynynwaayyyyy

toxins baddddd

lactic acid normal but baddd because it causes irritation in some people.

isnt being fit and healthy WONDERFUL

yeay for DOMS!


had physio today, #battered
is sticking your elbow into my arse super necessary physios?? reallyyy???

TFBubendorfer

joesoap5 wrote: »

Did I not separate the words toxins and lactic acid.

No you didn't. You mentioned lactic acid as a toxin

Where did you get your quote about cupping?

Apologies, that was admittedly my fault. The quote was from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cupping_therapy, which in turn references http://web.archive.org/web/20150406234222/http://www.cancer.org/treatment/treatmentsandsideeffects/complementaryandalternativemedicine/manualhealingandphysicaltouch/cupping

I don't think you're in a position to doubt or support cupping. You don't seem to know anymore than you looked up about it.

I don't have a professional background in that field, that is true. I do have a reasonable amount of physiological knowledge, strictly as a hobbyist of course, and my doubts about cupping remain not least because apart from some mildly aggressive responses you haven't provided anything of note.

And that's all I'm going to say about that matter.

Utdfan20titles

Wikipedia is a good enough source for me. It's not as if you can go on those pages and put whatever you want on them

TFBubendorfer

Utdfan20titles wrote: »

Wikipedia is a good enough source for me. It's not as if you can go on those pages and put whatever you want on them

Which is why I included the follow-up reference.
But don't mind me, let them cup you to your heart's content!

joesoap5

TFBubendorfer wrote: »

Which is why I included the follow-up reference.
But don't mind me, let them cup you to your heart's content!

And your manner is a leading example.

I'm off for a cuppa

jamule

joesoap5 wrote: »

TFBubendorfer wrote: »

Which is why I included the follow-up reference.
But don't mind me, let them cup you to your heart's content!

And your manner is a leading example.

I'm off for a cuppa

Says your man. You tried to bull****e about toxins and got pulled up it. At least admit you have no idea what your talking about.

joesoap5

jamule wrote: »

Says your man. You tried to bull****e about toxins and got pulled up it. At least admit you have no idea what your talking about.

I don't mix with riff raff

groovyg

If you have toxins in your body there's one of two places you are going to end up, in the morgue dead or in ICU with a load of tubes and machines trying to keep you alive.

jamule

groovyg wrote: »

If you have toxins in your body there's one of two places you are going to end up, in the morgue dead or in ICU with a load of tubes and machines trying to keep you alive.

Did you Google that

groovyg

jamule wrote: »

Did you Google that

Whats your point?
its pretty obvious all the rubbish written about detoxing and getting rid of toxins from your body is is a load bs and its used by quacks and charlatans to sell bogus treatments Whats the point of the liver, skin, lungs, kidneys?

jamule

groovyg wrote: »

jamule wrote: »

Did you Google that

Whats your point?
its pretty obvious all the rubbish written about detoxing and getting rid of toxins from your body is is a load bs and its used by quacks and charlatans to sell bogus treatments Whats the point of the liver, skin, lungs, kidneys?

Seemingly riff raff like me cannot say things like that