Airport Terrorism Security

KwackerJack

Looking at past security breaches like Istanbul and Brussels why don't airports have Xray machines and body scanners before you even enter the building??

Surley someone has implemented this?

dev100

Well they had them in turkey that's why the gun men opened fire outside ...u are just moving the problem from inside to the outside as people will have to cue up to be scanned to get into airports there by creating a bottle neck and a target

Tenger

KwackerJack wrote: »

Looking at past security breaches like Istanbul and Brussels why don't airports have Xray machines and body scanners before you even enter the building??

Surley someone has implemented this?

Some countries do have this, (Russia I think?)
.....as mentioned above, it just moves the target outside the building.

Simon Gruber Says

Worse still, this could create queues and lead to large gatherings of people outside in that situation.

xabi

I remember Aldergrove in Belfast having checkpoints way before you ever got near the airport and fairly high security once you did get near it.

http://victorpatterson.photoshelter.com/image/I00005CMM58apnqU

Noxegon

As others have noted, that just moves the problem elsewhere. Anywhere where there's a large gathering of people is a potential soft target for these lunatics.

My own view is that you can't protect against everything without making life a misery for the public at large, as can be seen today in the United States where passing through metal detectors is a prerequisite for any large public gathering.

Besides, I'd suggest corruption will negate any efforts to improve security. I flew from an international airport in a third world country earlier this year where there was an enormous queue for a security check outside the building. As a westerner I was spotted disembarking from a taxi, and a uniformed official came over and escorted me through a side door and straight to the front of check-in in exchange for a few coins.

Deep Thought

shows how young all you folks are...

Dublin used to have checks going in Departures, lads there with tables and you used to have to put stuff on the table and they would check it all

Irish Steve

The reason for the high death toll is that Istanbul DOES have very significant security within a very short distance of the entrance doors into the terminals, and that causes significant queues to form for most of the day as it is every bit as rigorous as the scan to get airside, but to add to the delays, they also scan hold luggage as well at the same check, before anyone even gets close to then checking in and then proceeding airside.

Given that they process some 80 Million passengers a year, it's hard to see how they can reduce that risk any further than it has been, unless the whole concept of airline terminals is changed to having many more satellite terminals that are remote from the main runways, with each airline or handling agent having their own locations, and for an airline like Turkish Airlines, that still would not reduce the numbers in a small area, so the real answer to the problem is for the security services to be stronger with more draconian powers to do things like intercept communications and the like, which will generate even more problems for human rights organisations to get upset about.

Irish Steve

While I understand the levity, given that a significant number of people were killed and seriously injured, it's not really appropriate.
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Istanbul has a significant number of people that are very much armed and prepared to deal with the sort of individuals that were responsible for this appalling event, and if the security level at Dublin were ever again to rise to the levels that are the norm in Istanbul, we'd be seeing suitably prepared and armed individuals at the airport here.

FortySeven

Airports are one of the worst targets they can pick. Heavily armed police everywhere. The bataclan showed large crowds vs automatic weapons and it was a much higher death toll. We should be thankful of their shortsightedness really. I can think of many, many more attractive targets than airports.

Jayop

xabi wrote: »

I remember Aldergrove in Belfast having checkpoints way before you ever got near the airport and fairly high security once you did get near it.

http://victorpatterson.photoshelter.com/image/I00005CMM58apnqU

Was just going to mention Aldergrove. Security there was mad, but I don't ever remember the same level of security at Eglington or the City. I know they we're a lot smaller but the threat level would have been the same.

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JCX BXC

Are airports not just the same as other areas of large gatherings of people? Should we have X-Ray scanners on the entrances to train stations, government buildings and supermarkets?

Fred Swanson

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artanevilla

Carnacalla wrote: »

Are airports not just the same as other areas of large gatherings of people? Should we have X-Ray scanners on the entrances to train stations, government buildings and supermarkets?

There should be one on the door of every house that you've to go through before you can go out on the street.

The problem is not the security, it's the terrorists that are the problem.

rightyabe

I think I remember getting scanned going into Phuket airport and all my luggage was X-rayed, even thou the lady at the monitor was busy filing her nails chatting to her workmates...

The King of Dalriada

I've walked through a metal detector that was quite visibly not even plugged in.

curiousoranje

When I was going to the states from Dublin last year, I mistakenly managed to not go through the x-ray scanner in the CBP area and nobody seemed to notice. Only realised when I got on the plane.

Tenger

curiousoranje wrote: »

When I was going to the states from Dublin last year, I mistakenly managed to not go through the x-ray scanner in the CBP area and nobody seemed to notice. Only realised when I got on the plane.

CBP is a lower level screening of pax who have already been screened into an airside facility and/or arrived from another airport. Primarily it is for customs/food import reasons.
Still not good however.

curiousoranje

This was pre-clearance in T2 in Dublin. When I arrived in JFK I was treated as a domestic passenger and didn't have to do customs stateside.

KwackerJack

artanevilla wrote: »

it's the terrorists that are the problem.

Exactly, an issue which is near impossible to control!

We will always have terrorism so all we can do is try to prevent it by adding more security!

By not adding more security how will that help keep innocent people safe?

Duvetdays

Went through Dublin two weeks ago found the security a bit lax. Coming back through lanzarote security was much stricter my hands and bag were swabbed and they seemed to testing a huge amount as they passed through.

JCX BXC

Flew from Dalaman (Turkey) airport today, seen 3 significant security checks.

1). On the bus on the way in, we stopped at the police checkpoint and police boarded the bus.

2). Arrival at terminal, in order to get in you have to go through security at the start. Body scanners and luggage screening.

3). Once you've checked in, more body scanners and luggage screening, followed by a slow passport control.

Lots of security personnel around the airport at all times too, many armed.

KwackerJack

Carnacalla wrote: »

Flew from Dalaman (Turkey) airport today, seen 3 significant security checks.

1). On the bus on the way in, we stopped at the police checkpoint and police boarded the bus.

2). Arrival at terminal, in order to get in you have to go through security at the start. Body scanners and luggage screening.

3). Once you've checked in, more body scanners and luggage screening, followed by a slow passport control.

Lots of security personnel around the airport at all times too, many armed.

Now that sounds like proper security! No disrespect to the Dublin Airport police but if a guy jumps out with a assault rifle what will they do..... Throw a torch them? I know the Armed response unit is near but unless they are on the spot its to late!!

My GF is flight crew and was waiting on a taxi last week, cab pulls up and is usherd away by APP before she had a chance to move, the office advised it was a security meassure to keep her safe!! This seemed to happen to a lot of cars leavingleaving a mass of bodys waiting outside the terminal, nicenice group of targets just standing there, nice safety measure!

KwackerJack

Duvetdays wrote: »

Went through Dublin two weeks ago found the security a bit lax. Coming back through lanzarote security was much stricter my hands and bag were swabbed and they seemed to testing a huge amount as they passed through.

I was swabbed and ask to stand to one side for a security questionnaire onlyonly a few weeks back. However the xray staff do look like there in a world of their own!

L1011

curiousoranje wrote: »

This was pre-clearance in T2 in Dublin. When I arrived in JFK I was treated as a domestic passenger and didn't have to do customs stateside.

You'd already passed ICAO standards security to get to CBP, though.

KwackerJack wrote: »

Now that sounds like proper security! No disrespect to the Dublin Airport police but if a guy jumps out with a assault rifle what will they do..... Throw a torch them? I know the Armed response unit is near but unless they are on the spot its to late!!

What you you expect the airport police/security anywhere in the world to do?

What you consider "proper security" is security theatre. It does nothing but make the inexperienced think they're safe. The Irish are generally immune to it, having dealt with real security issues for decades but it seems to be wearing off.

Tenger

curiousoranje wrote: »

This was pre-clearance in T2 in Dublin. When I arrived in JFK I was treated as a domestic passenger and didn't have to do customs stateside.

It was customs AND Immigration.
Hence arrival as a domestic pax. Its used to be just Immigration pre-clearance before T2 was built with the full CBP approved TSA screening process.

KwackerJack

L1011 wrote: »

You'd already passed ICAO standards security to get to CBP, though.



What you you expect the airport police/security anywhere in the world to do?

What you consider "proper security" is security theatre. It does nothing but make the inexperienced think they're safe. The Irish are generally immune to it, having dealt with real security issues for decades but it seems to be wearing off.

If the proper checks are in place an armed man will not get far!

Take Heathrow v Dublin, two armed men walk up ready to murder innocent people. Heathrow armed police will have then taken out pretty quick, while in Dublin the police are shot dead where the stand as they have no way of defending themselves and the terrorists saunter inside and cause devastation! By the time help arrives its a bloody mess!

Problem with Ireland is we seem to have "Sure it wont happen to us' mentality so we don't seem to plan for such an event.

Facts are we could be hit anytime. These terrorists will attack where they like and its as simple as that.

In Ireland we only act after an incident, world events are tellings us to be careful and were ignoring the signs

skywanderer

I flew from Amsterdam in May on a connecting flight from Cork to Hong Kong with Cathay Pacific, I went through no security at all whatsoever. Similar story a few weeks later I flew into Amsterdam and out for Heathrow, no security checks at all. I'm wondering is the entire airport terminal considered secure?

L1011

skywanderer wrote: »

I flew from Amsterdam in May on a connecting flight from Cork to Hong Kong with Cathay Pacific, I went through no security at all whatsoever. Similar story a few weeks later I flew into Amsterdam and out for Heathrow, no security checks at all. I'm wondering is the entire airport terminal considered secure?

Flights coming in from security audit passing airports are considered secure. AMS used to have security at each gate and no central area but is slowly rectifying that.

steve-o

curiousoranje wrote: »

When I was going to the states from Dublin last year, I mistakenly managed to not go through the x-ray scanner in the CBP area and nobody seemed to notice. Only realised when I got on the plane.

The x-ray scanner is for bags and shoes. People don't normally go though it. But I know what you meant, and there is normally no scanning of people in that area so nothing was missed.