pre planning meeting

degetme

Hi guys have pre planning meeting with planner soon. Local engineer attending meeting also. He said just bring yourself. Anxious about it as looking to get planning permission on this exact site. The outcome of this meeting will determine weather he will assist and what price he will be charging to obtain full pp. Is it to cheeky to agree a price on a successful pp and if it fails no price charged. 3000 was the figure used as a guide to obtain pp. Engineer looked at site and said there should be no problem in obtaing ful pp.Thanks for any replies

bemak

degetme wrote: »

Hi guys have pre planning meeting with planner soon. Local engineer attending meeting also. He said just bring yourself. Anxious about it as looking to get planning permission on this exact site. The outcome of this meeting will determine weather he will assist and what price he will be charging to obtain full pp. Is it to cheeky to agree a price on a successful pp and if it fails no price charged. 3000 was the figure used as a guide to obtain pp. Engineer looked at site and said there should be no problem in obtaing ful pp.Thanks for any replies

why would someone agree to do all the work involved in preparing a planning permission with the caveat that they won't get paid if it doesn't get planning?!

you've decided that you'd like to build a house (I'm presuming) on this exact site. you should get an idea from the pre-planning meeting how open the planner is to the development in this location but there are no guarantees. At the end of the day you must bear the risk not the person preparing the planning application. what you can do is acknowledge what the planner will say to you regarding a proposed development and use that as guidance on what you're proposing. You'll have a say in the design of the house - what you like / want etc.

If the opinion is that there should be no problem obtaining permission, then at worst, you'll prob get approval with conditions but approval none the less.

degetme

bemak wrote: »

why would someone agree to do all the work involved in preparing a planning permission with the caveat that they won't get paid if it doesn't get planning?!

you've decided that you'd like to build a house (I'm presuming) on this exact site. you should get an idea from the pre-planning meeting how open the planner is to the development in this location but there are no guarantees. At the end of the day you must bear the risk not the person preparing the planning application. what you can do is acknowledge what the planner will say to you regarding a proposed development and use that as guidance on what you're proposing. You'll have a say in the design of the house - what you like / want etc.

If the opinion is that there should be no problem obtaining permission, then at worst, you'll prob get approval with conditions but approval none the less.

Fair point. I would like to see an engineer do his best to prepare a planning application to council satfisfaction. I've references got from others about this engineer and there unhappy with my engineer . I've enquired about other engineers and told stay away from them. Picking the best of a bad lot I'm told. What I want is an application done well but I'd find it hard to turn around and pay for a application poorly put together. New to all this so maybe I'm making no sense

bemak

degetme wrote: »

Fair point. I would like to see an engineer do his best to prepare a planning application to council satfisfaction. I've references got from others about this engineer and there unhappy with my engineer . I've enquired about other engineers and told stay away from them. Picking the best of a bad lot I'm told. What I want is an application done well but I'd find it hard to turn around and pay for a application poorly put together. New to all this so maybe I'm making no sense

are you entrusting this engineer to design your house then? if the feedback is that poor I'd walk away. You've no contract signed.

Gumbo

degetme wrote: »

Hi guys have pre planning meeting with planner soon. Local engineer attending meeting also. He said just bring yourself. Anxious about it as looking to get planning permission on this exact site. The outcome of this meeting will determine weather he will assist and what price he will be charging to obtain full pp. Is it to cheeky to agree a price on a successful pp and if it fails no price charged. 3000 was the figure used as a guide to obtain pp. Engineer looked at site and said there should be no problem in obtaing ful pp.Thanks for any replies

Irrespective on whether you get planning or not, the work had to be done. Drawings need to be prepared, surveys taking place, newspaper ad paid for, maps bought, printing and associated costs.

The engineer will have to do the application to the exact standards of the LA, otherwise it will be invalidated so he will have to put the effort in.

degetme

kceire wrote: »

Irrespective on whether you get planning or not, the work had to be done. Drawings need to be prepared, surveys taking place, newspaper ad paid for, maps bought, printing and associated costs.

The engineer will have to do the application to the exact standards of the LA, otherwise it will be invalidated so he will have to put the effort in.

How do I know it's a valid application to LA?

bemak

degetme wrote: »

How do I know it's a valid application to LA?

the council will 'invalidate' if it fails to meet the criterion for an application. your fee will be refunded but you'd lose out on the cost of the newspaper notices

Angry bird

The meeting with the planner is free but the engineer will be billing you for his time. Ask questions and find out if there's some site specific information you need to be aware of.

Gumbo

degetme wrote: »

How do I know it's a valid application to LA?

The LA wil validate it.
Give it a plan reference number.
And you wait your 8 weeks for a decision.

Dudda

Designing a house and getting planning? 10th post before Architect is mentioned. You probably think it's too expensive yet your willing to waste money on an engineer you know to be poor!

degetme

Dudda wrote: »

Designing a house and getting planning? 10th post before Architect is mentioned. You probably think it's too expensive yet your willing to waste money on an engineer you know to be poor!

Asked engineer about architect in designing and if engineer drawings are unsuitable a architect would be consulted. Have good and bad references of engineer.best of the lot I'm told on references in my area. No problems paying the required fee provided applications are done right and house design is suitablte for LA and ourselves

Metric Tensor

Bear in mind that there's no guarantee any design will he suitable for the council. They may see development on your particular site as undesirable regardless of who your consultant is.

Also don't expect the world from the pre-planning meeting. The best you can hope for is a general sense of how the particular planner you are talking to views a development on your site and if you're lucky maybe some rough ideas re house type.

bemak

Metric Tensor wrote: »

Bear in mind that there's no guarantee any design will he suitable for the council. They may see development on your particular site as undesirable regardless of who your consultant is.

Also don't expect the world from the pre-planning meeting. The best you can hope for is a general sense of how the particular planner you are talking to views a development on your site and if you're lucky maybe some rough ideas re house type.

This is why I think you should just go on your own. Ask the 'stupid questions' (no question is stupid) without worrying about the Engineer beside you - you don't want him taking control of the meeting either!

Metric Tensor

If the engineer is a regular in the planning office - and considered "good" by the planners - I think it would be helpful to have him there. He'll possibly already have a rapport with the planners and he may also be able to "read between the lines" with regards to what the planner is saying.

Otherwise you'll be asking him to prepare plans based on second hand info you as a lay person pick up from the pre planning meeting.

That's my experience anyway - would prefer to be at a client's one than not.

bemak

Metric Tensor wrote:

Otherwise you'll be asking him to prepare plans based on second hand info you as a lay person pick up from the pre planning meeting.

Metric Tensor wrote:

If the engineer is a regular in the planning office - and considered "good" by the planners - I think it would be helpful to have him there. He'll possibly already have a rapport with the planners and he may also be able to "read between the lines" with regards to what the planner is saying.

Metric Tensor wrote:

That's my experience anyway - would prefer to be at a client's one than not.

Good point actually. I suppose I was thinking of it on the basis that he was poor but ya you're right. Probably safer to bring him

Angry bird

I prefer not to see the agent there even the ones I like, simply because I am loathe to get tied down on house design specifics at what is only a meeting to give advice and nothing more. For example I may say single storey only. The planning application is there for properly assessing a house design not a pre planning meeting in my opinion.

BryanF

bemak wrote: »

This is why I think you should just go on your own. Ask the 'stupid questions' (no question is stupid) without worrying about the Engineer beside you - you don't want him taking control of the meeting either!

I have gotten planning for many clients over the years. The only time I have had trouble with getting planning was when I was not invited to attend the pre-planning. In my experience do not go to the preplanning without the person who is going to design & prepare the application.

BryanF

Angry bird wrote: »

I prefer not to see the agent there even the ones I like, simply because I am loathe to get tied down on house design specifics at what is only a meeting to give advice and nothing more. For example I may say single storey only. The planning application is there for properly assessing a house design not a pre planning meeting in my opinion.

An agent/designer/consultant will be familiar with the local development plan - the applicant will not. When the planner refers to section blahblahblH and the client switches off.. Only to wake up again to ask 'do you think I'll be able to build?' At which point the planner says 'well I can't say that but as long as you comply with the relevant sections for the development plan'..

Metric Tensor

Angry bird wrote: »

I prefer not to see the agent there even the ones I like, simply because I am loathe to get tied down on house design specifics at what is only a meeting to give advice and nothing more. For example I may say single storey only. The planning application is there for properly assessing a house design not a pre planning meeting in my opinion.

A fair point.

"Even the ones I like" - surely planners don't like anyone ;-) ;-)

Angry bird

BryanF wrote: »

Angry bird wrote: »

I prefer not to see the agent there even the ones I like, simply because I am loathe to get tied down on house design specifics at what is only a meeting to give advice and nothing more. For example I may say single storey only. The planning application is there for properly assessing a house design not a pre planning meeting in my opinion.

An agent/designer/consultant will be familiar with the local development plan - the applicant will not. When the planner refers to section blahblahblH and the client switches off.. Only to wake up again to ask 'do you think I'll be able to build?' At which point the planner says 'well I can't say that but as long as you comply with the relevant sections for the development plan'..

I stick to layman's terms. I never cared for just referring to some section or other. On bigger jobs I should add that it's the engineer or architect I want to see at pre planning.

degetme

Hi all

Looking for some independent advice. Basically had pre planning meeting for a proposed one off single story dwelling in a rural area with area planner and agent. Two issues the planner has is ribbon development and getting a section 47 agreement. Currently farming with green cert and land will be in my name within two years.

Who is best advise on this agreement?
As regards ribbon development the proposed site would be the fourth dwelling with two fields between. Agent stated that section 47 is no big deal. How open endend is this? Planner won't say. Planner response to everything is I'd have to see site. Planner did say i am in good hands with my agent. Any advice would be greatly appricated.

degetme

Any advice on the above? All feedback appreciated

Angry bird

I don't see any problems with those two issues and stick with your agent.

stickybookmark

I didn't attend the pre planning meeting for my house at all, it was just my arch tech and the planner. I was never asked to be there. The arch tech knows the local planners, knows how to plamás them and what to say etc. He managed to get me a 2 storey house despite it being built across from an existing bungalow, he just had to do a few bits and bobs to satisfy the planner. I'd leave it in experienced hands

Smurf666

Sorry to piggy back - how long did you have to wait for your pre planning meeting? I have heard horror stories of 8 to 10 weeks after applying. 😕

kayaksurfbum

Smurf666 wrote: »

Sorry to piggy back - how long did you have to wait for your pre planning meeting? I have heard horror stories of 8 to 10 weeks after applying. 😕

I got one in waterford in 2 weeks. Depends on your planner. Heard kilkenny takes months.

looksee

How in heaven's name did you get a meeting in 2 weeks! We gave up on trying to get planning in Waterford, it was like wading through treacle. It was still 8 weeks most other places, but at least there appeared t o be a chance of getting planning.