Work wages and conditions question

YouJLethal

Hi Guys,
Hopefully someone can give me advise on what to do here. I'm working for a small company and because I was eager to get working, I jumped straight in without considering the wage / duties involved. I'm getting €360 euro a week via a check. Now I'm presuming my boss is paying tax although I don't get slips to show this but I'll check at the end of the year.

For this €360 I'm doing the following

Accounts ~ Sending invoices and statements/ payments
Orders ~ Managing both Amazon and ebay stores as well as websites. This can involve listing items, dealing with complaints, packing orders. Sometimes assembling them. I also have to deliver 3 times a week to a local post office about 10min drive away
Maintaining the warehouse, keeping it clean, stock takes etc
Emailing quotes/new customers with various information.


So basically I'd consider myself the general manager in a sense that I do everything that needs done on a daily basis
but I feel that I'm really underpaid for the duties I do. I'm also due a bonus of €1000 at the end of this month but the boss has been hinting that due to brexit, money is tight so I'm not sure if I'll even get it


I haven't really worked before so wages and work ratio is a little confusing for me. Do you think €360 is amble money to cover my duties or should I push for more and if I don't get my bonus which I was counting as part of my wages how should I go about it

Any advise is greatly appreciated as I'm just unsure what to do

Cheers

Stheno

I'd consider you role to be more customer service admin than general manager to be honest.

At 360 net you are probably on the minimum wage of 9.15 per hour for 40 hours but seem to be paying very little in tax/prsi/usc.

How long have you been working there?

xabi

Sounds about right for the tasks you listed, maybe just above minimum wage. What are they selling?

Plus, id be checking my tax before year end, you could be on emergency tax.

sentient_6

YouJLethal wrote: »

I don't get slips to show this but I'll check at the end of the year.

Why wait until then? Bizarre statement to make. You should be getting pay slips.

cbreeze

You need to know the terms of your contract, which seems to be a weekly paid one with possibly one week's notice
are you paying PRSI and at what rate?
is your employer paying his share?
are you paying tax?
is your employer paying tax and VAT?
is there a union on site?
Are there people in the company you could ask or can you check with the Companies Office?

€360 a week does not sound very much for what you are doing, so add these roles to your CV and look around. The €1,000 bonus sounds like a carrot hiding a stick.

Employer might be struggling with debt and finding it difficult to meet obligations to staff.

'Brexit' sounds like the new excuse which has overtaken recession as a means not to pay a decent wage.

YouJLethal

Stheno wrote: »

I'd consider you role to be more customer service admin than general manager to be honest.

At 360 net you are probably on the minimum wage of 9.15 per hour for 40 hours but seem to be paying very little in tax/prsi/usc.

How long have you been working there?

I work 9-5 Monday to Thursday, and Friday I work 9-1. Not sure about tax and when I ask the question he always seems to be shifty about it

The reason I said General manager is because I'm here mostly on my own running the day to day operations of the business and the boss comes and goes. All business operations from purchasing to selling to advertising goes through me and that's why I thought GM would of been a better suited title

xabi wrote: »

Sounds about right for the tasks you listed, maybe just above minimum wage. What are they selling?

Plus, id be checking my tax before year end, you could be on emergency tax.

I rang the Revenue, and they told me they can only check at the end of the year since I only started working with them at the start of the year although I did do two jobs bridge periods beforehand

They sell various products, from chicken feeders to fireside items and alot more in between.

sentient_6 wrote: »

Why wait until then? Bizarre statement to make. You should be getting pay slips.

I've asked but he just says that he has never given them and works payments by checks

cbreeze wrote: »

You need to know the terms of your contract, which seems to be a weekly paid one with possibly one week's notice
are you paying PRSI and at what rate?
is your employer paying his share?
are you paying tax?
is your employer paying tax and VAT?
is there a union on site?
Are there people in the company you could ask or can you check with the Companies Office?

€360 a week does not sound very much for what you are doing, so add these roles to your CV and look around. The €1,000 bonus sounds like a carrot hiding a stick.

Employer might be struggling with debt and finding it difficult to meet obligations to staff.

'Brexit' sounds like the new excuse which has overtaken recession as a means not to pay a decent wage.

tbh I feel it's a little low for what I do and what I put into the company. Not tooting my horn but if I left tomorrow the company would struggle and the Sales Rep has even said so himself but I'm not money motivated but don't want to be taken for a fool which I feel I am

I've never paid tax before this job so was never unsure on how much / if he's even paying it

Stheno

YouJLethal wrote: »

I work 9-5 Monday to Thursday, and Friday I work 9-1. Not sure about tax and when I ask the question he always seems to be shifty about it

The reason I said General manager is because I'm here mostly on my own running the day to day operations of the business and the boss comes and goes. All business operations from purchasing to selling to advertising goes through me and that's why I thought GM would of been a better suited title

So in total you are doing 32 hours a week, assuming that you get an hour for lunch Monday to Thursday, so your net pay is working out at 11.25 per hour, so well above min. wage.

A general manager would be doing more in terms of managing the business imo, such as dealing with suppliers, banks, the overall business accounts etc. Your tasks to me are much more admin type tasks.

I've asked but he just says that he has never given them and works payments by checks

It's against the law not to give staff payslips. Additionally it's your responsibility to make sure you pay the right taxes, Revenue are not going to accept that your boss didn't bother and you let it slide for a year. WHen you started did you have to give your PPS number etc?

Do you have a contract?

YouJLethal

Stheno wrote: »

So in total you are doing 32 hours a week, assuming that you get an hour for lunch Monday to Thursday, so your net pay is working out at 11.25 per hour, so well above min. wage.

A general manager would be doing more in terms of managing the business imo, such as dealing with suppliers, banks, the overall business accounts etc. Your tasks to me are much more admin type tasks.





It's against the law not to give staff payslips. Additionally it's your responsibility to make sure you pay the right taxes, Revenue are not going to accept that your boss didn't bother and you let it slide for a year. WHen you started did you have to give your PPS number etc?

Do you have a contract?

I do deal with the suppliers, make new orders. The only thing I don't do is deal with the banks but my boss sends me emails of what payments come in and I send him emails of what has to be ordered/paid and if it involves a bank transfer he'll do it or if it isn't that big of an order I'll do it via company credit card but role title doesn't bother me anyway

I gave my pps number when I started and I've been onto revenue and she said she can't tell until the end of the year as I only started with the full time job in Jan

in the agreement it was agreed half an hour for lunch but I normally work through my lunch or take something with me as I really don't have the time to go out for it otherwise I'd be behind on the next day

I don't have a contract but we did have a job agreement which we discussed and have it in writing
This included the bonus amounts for summer and christmas

Thanks for the replies

HelgaWard

YouJLethal wrote: »

Hi Guys,
Now I'm presuming my boss is paying tax although I don't get slips to show this but I'll check at the end of the year.

Do you realise that if your boss is not paying the tax you owe to Revenue, that you personally will owe it to the Revenue? It's your responsibility to ensure it is being paid. You could end up requesting a P21 at the end of the year and owing thousands?
You are legally entitiled to a pay slip which should show gross pay and details of any deductions.
http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/employment/employment_rights_and_conditions/pay_and_employment/pay_slip.html

irish_dave_83

YouJLethal wrote: »

I do deal with the suppliers, make new orders. The only thing I don't do is deal with the banks but my boss sends me emails of what payments come in and I send him emails of what has to be ordered/paid and if it involves a bank transfer he'll do it or if it isn't that big of an order I'll do it via company credit card but role title doesn't bother me anyway

I gave my pps number when I started and I've been onto revenue and she said she can't tell until the end of the year as I only started with the full time job in Jan

in the agreement it was agreed half an hour for lunch but I normally work through my lunch or take something with me as I really don't have the time to go out for it otherwise I'd be behind on the next day

I don't have a contract but we did have a job agreement which we discussed and have it in writing
This included the bonus amounts for summer and christmas

Thanks for the replies

Everything you have described and clarified is still admin work. So the wage seems fair enough.

However you should not be working through your lunch, and if your boss is aware of this he could get in trouble. If he is not aware - By working through your lunch you are disguising staffing failures. If the work builds up, he needs to offer you overtime afterwards or get someone additional in.