Wind Turbine and Brexit

99nsr125

Been thinking about this the past while

Looks like we dodged a fierce bullet with the
failure of the widespread Wind Turbine Farms
and the power export plan to the UK

Green policy looks like it's going to be decimated
in the UK.

Can you imagine having rusting albatrosses all over
the country along with the already abandoned building sites.

We don't know how lucky we are, can you imagine the mess with
SFP , loss of entitlements , bankrupt companies , wayleaves ,
the cost of trying to remediate the steel reinforced concrete pads.

Waffletraktor

99nsr125 wrote: »

Been thinking about this the past while

Looks like we dodged a fierce bullet with the
failure of the widespread Wind Turbine Farms
and the power export plan to the UK

Green policy looks like it's going to be decimated
in the UK.

Can you imagine having rusting albatrosses all over
the country along with the already abandoned building sites.

We don't know how lucky we are, can you imagine the mess with
SFP , loss of entitlements , bankrupt companies , wayleaves ,
the cost of trying to remediate the steel reinforced concrete pads.

Too many pention funds own windturbins to roll back now, uk isnt even remotely self sufficient going forward and cant afford nuclear for its self has to get french company in on garunteed margin if they build it up front. Nevermind the Ad debacle on the other hand.

Markcheese

What... ? If that deal to build wind turbines to supply the uk grid had gone ahead , it'd still be in force.. if the contract had been signed, they'd still be paying..

Cavanjack

The world is not going to end because of brexit. We will still need electricity and renewable electricity at that.

Old School Husqy

Markcheese wrote: »

What... ? If that deal to build wind turbines to supply the uk grid had gone ahead , it'd still be in force.. if the contract had been signed, they'd still be paying..

Contracts will want to be broke. No one likes loosing money.

tractorporn

99nsr125 wrote:

Can you imagine having rusting albatrosses all over the country along with the already abandoned building sites.

Do you really think that we couldn't do with that renewable energy at home if the unlikely event that Brexit would stop the flow of current? In no senario could I see the turbines rusting in the countryside unused. In my humble opinion we need more renewables, wind, solar, AD and water along with micro generation we can't rely on peat for the rest of our lives.

Birdnuts

Markcheese wrote: »

What... ? If that deal to build wind turbines to supply the uk grid had gone ahead , it'd still be in force.. if the contract had been signed, they'd still be paying..

No actual deal has been signed and given that the current Tory government has cut back supports for both wind and solar on the back of escalating costs,grid reliability issues etc. I think the likelihood of any deal going forward has significantly reduced given the events of last week.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-33227489

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Birdnuts

tractorporn wrote: »

Do you really think that we couldn't do with that renewable energy at home if the unlikely event that Brexit would stop the flow of current? In no senario could I see the turbines rusting in the countryside unused. .

Unfortunately no matter how many wind farms are plastered around the countryside we will still need our conventional power stations. This is because wind and solar cannot be relied apon to generate power during peak demand periods like cold calm winter nights. Ireland has already spent billions supporting wind farms and wind farm related pylon projects via consumer bills and counties like Donegal are near saturation point with them. Yet Moneypoint coal fired power station worked overtime last year to keep the lights on. Same story in Germany and elsewhere and indeed in parts of Spain whole hillsides are covered in rusting wind turbines after the government there cut supports after their financial crisis

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/greenhouse-gas-emissions-rise-in-key-sectors-393935.html

"The greater use of the coal-fired plant at Moneypoint for electricity generation last year (its emissions increased by 20%) was the main factor in the overall national increase in power generation emissions"

Nekarsulm

I thought the interconnector was ran from Wales to Ireland to provide us with electrical capacity because the ESB was planning to scale down production by 1500 mega watts?

visual

Nekarsulm wrote: »

I thought the interconnector was ran from Wales to Ireland to provide us with electrical capacity because the ESB was planning to scale down production by 1500 mega watts?

It is that was the main point of it.

The wind farms and selling green power to UK was and is hot air

Nekarsulm

I had a survey done on a hilly part of the farm, to assess suitability for a turbine or even two, but the problem was the ESB would only pay half the price per kilo watt produced that suppliers in UK get.
Also, they impose a quota on what you are allowed produce/sell.
So if the first 7 months of the year were good for production you would reach your quota, and the ESB then had 5 months free supply from your turbine.
Not much use when there would have been a substantial mortgage on it to be repaid.

Jimmy Garlic

These wind farms are a giant scam designed to cash in on subsidies. They will never be profitable on their own, not in a million years. Some of the most beautiful parts of Ireland are destroyed with these things. I try to look at the bright side though, there will be no shortage of scrap steel and copper in the future.

Old School Husqy

Wind farms are substantially funded from drug money was the latest one I heard.

Nekarsulm

If you were paid the same rate as in the UK or Holland, etc, they would pay for themselves in about 15 years, iirc. Then you had a further projected life span of about 10 years before major overhaul.
Its about eight years since we looked at it, but those are the figures that stick in my mind.

gctest50

You might be able to "convert" the odd one here n there into an LTE / 4G mast

since it should get a bit popular :


http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057558377

Sam Kade

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

These wind farms are a giant scam designed to cash in on subsidies. They will never be profitable on their own, not in a million years. Some of the most beautiful parts of Ireland are destroyed with these things. I try to look at the bright side though, there will be no shortage of scrap steel and copper in the future.

Man made climate change is the greatest scam in our time.

Timmaay

Sam Kade wrote: »

Man made climate change is the greatest scam in our time.

You don't belive in any sort of global warming so ha? What do you think we should do instead, stick to peat/coal/gas, nuclear??

Sam Kade

Timmaay wrote: »

You don't belive in any sort of global warming so ha? What do you think we should do instead, stick to peat/coal/gas, nuclear??

How many different sorts are there?

OverRide

Timmaay wrote: »

You don't belive in any sort of global warming so ha? What do you think we should do instead, stick to peat/coal/gas, nuclear??

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/only-god-controls-the-weather-danny-healy-rae-tells-climate-change-debate-1.2635192

Timmaay

Sam Kade wrote: »

How many different sorts are there?

That's about it in terms of what we can use, Nuclear being imported from the EU if we went with a new grid connector with France. As things stand wind accounts for something like 20% of Irelands electricity use.

Anyways ya didn't answer my question, do you think we should totally bury our heads in the sand about climate change/Global warming and write it off as a scam, and if so stick to peat/gas etc?

Timmaay

OverRide wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/only-god-controls-the-weather-danny-healy-rae-tells-climate-change-debate-1.2635192

In the context of brexit at the second, "God" help us if we ended up with a substantial part of the Dail with people like him.

ganmo

regardless of climate change would it not be a good idea not to be importing solid fuel and generate most of our energy requirements from 'free' sources

Sam Kade

Timmaay wrote: »

That's about it in terms of what we can use, Nuclear being imported from the EU if we went with a new grid connector with France. As things stand wind accounts for something like 20% of Irelands electricity use.

Anyways ya didn't answer my question, do you think we should totally bury our heads in the sand about climate change/Global warming and write it off as a scam, and if so stick to peat/gas etc?

Look, the climate is always changing, the elite have being caught on a few occasions with their pants down and people still believe the nonsense they are being fed. I'm not starting a debate with you about it as that is my opinion if you want to debate about it there are plenty other forums to do it on.

Jimmy Garlic

ganmo wrote: »

regardless of climate change would it not be a good idea not to be importing solid fuel and generate most of our energy requirements from 'free' sources

A molten salt nuclear power station would be the sensible way to go, safe too. We are just messing around with wind turbines, they are not a long term solution at all.

Jimmy Garlic

Sam Kade wrote: »

Look, the climate is always changing, the elite have being caught on a few occasions with their pants down and people still believe the nonsense they are being fed. I'm not starting a debate with you about it as that is my opinion if you want to debate about it there are plenty other forums to do it on.

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