FiT July 2016 - another "unhappy" thread

rolion

Hello,

Anyone having any more info on FIT please as im holding in buying the system and the vendor(s) drives me nuts with very good special offers...

Why is the delay,what are the plus or minus for the State vs Industry,where is the issue halted and by who !?
Can we,the "small" end users do anything / something ?

Thanks

Conor20

Still no further news, although everyone in the Solar PV industry is still convinced that it is coming in, wherever they are getting their information from.

I've been asking PV companies what their opinion is in terms of whether a FiT will be retrospective. That is to say, whether people who install Solar PV systems now will be able to apply for the FiT when it comes in. Most think that people will be able to apply, who have already installed PV within some period, probably two years. One company guaranteed to take down and put back up the system for free if the FiT comes in and it isn't opened to people who have recently put in PV systems. If you are anxious to get going with a PV system like me, then you could consider getting such a guarantee from the installer.

It's worth noting that even without a FiT, I calculate an 8.4% return on investment for the best PV quote I've gotten. I calculate the PV system quoted at €5,000 pays for itself without a FIT in 11 years and is warrantied for 25. Even being conservative and including two inverter replacements, the €5k system generates €13,629.75 of savings over it's lifetime. I can't imagine earning a guaranteed 8.4% on my money every year for the next 25 years if I invest it, and we'd only save 4% by paying down the mortgage, so PV is a sensible investment even without a FiT from my perspective and I will go ahead with it regardless. If a FiT comes in, that will simply be a bonus, bringing up the ROI to 10.1%.

quentingargan

Still no word on this. Worryingly, the only indication there has been since is that CER didn't include solar in its 2017 budget for the PSO levy which would be expected to fund any difference between the FIT and the wholesale prices.

You may find that a solar array can work for you if you can use all its power. A PV system can still be more cost effective than solar thermal if you use a diversion device to send surplus power to the immersion.

dathi

http://planning.kilkennycoco.ie/FileRefDetails.aspx?file_number=16310&LASiteID=0

doesn't seem to be stoping the solar farms looking for permission

quentingargan

dathi wrote: »

http://planning.kilkennycoco.ie/FileRefDetails.aspx?file_number=16310&LASiteID=0

doesn't seem to be stoping the solar farms looking for permission

Yes - you can't help thinking that some people know more than others.

Alf Veedersane

Plenty of solar farms looking for connections to the grid as well. And ESB looking to get involved as well.

Calahonda52

England's exit from the EU will, IMO, lead to the cancellation of the Hinkley port Nuke station that the French and Chinese were going to build so they will have power problems in UK, unless the coming recession is deep enough, which means they may need juice from us.
If we don't have enough juice don't expect them to reverse the flow in the interconnected, be like the Famine again.

KCross

Calahonda52 wrote: »

England's exit from the EU will, IMO, lead to the cancellation of the Hinkley port Nuke station that the French and Chinese were going to build so they will have power problems in UK, unless the coming recession is deep enough, which means they may need juice from us.
If we don't have enough juice don't expect them to reverse the flow in the interconnected, be like the Famine again.

Why would they cancel it because of Brexit?
Its a multi-billion project... Brexit or no Brexit, ecomonics and profit will prevail there.

Unless you are saying they no longer need it and it will be cancelled for that reason?

KCross

KCross wrote: »

Why would they cancel it...

KCross

Calahonda52 wrote: »

England's exit from the EU will, IMO, lead to the cancellation of the Hinkley port Nuke station that the French and Chinese were going to build so they will have power problems in UK, unless the coming recession is deep enough, which means they may need juice from us.
If we don't have enough juice don't expect them to reverse the flow in the interconnected, be like the Famine again.

KCross wrote: »

Why would they cancel it because of Brexit?
Its a multi-billion project... Brexit or no Brexit, ecomonics and profit will prevail there.

Unless you are saying they no longer need it and it will be cancelled for that reason?

Sir Liamalot wrote: »

@Sir Liamalot - I'm not sure, in the context of Calahonda52's post that Brexit would cause the cancellation, how that video supports his claim?

Maybe it will be cancelled because its bad value for money but thats not as a result of Brexit.

rolion

So now the Irish FIT is fcked by UK's Brexit ?
That will sound right if it will come from a politician'mouth...

Im interested to hear SEAI point of view...also,one of the big investors opinion.
I understood that the EU market is under Angel's control and for her economy interests,as showed in the recent visit to China but here,in Ireland.. !??

rolion

A very interesting article here, with some data related to renewables targets and ,hopefully, some big names that will do the proper lobby to the right doors !


Can Ireland's grid green satisfy Facebook and Apple?

There are, however, some concerns about Ireland’s renewables credentials.

Although its climate and topography make Ireland a natural fit for renewable energy sources such as wind and waves, the country itself remains heavily reliant on fossil fuels for its energy.

Under the European Renewable Energy Directive (2009), Ireland has a target of 16 per cent renewable energy in final consumption by 2020.

In 2014, the share was just over half that figure, at 8.6 per cent. Contribution from renewable energy to gross electrical consumption in 2014 was 22.7 per cent, set against a target of 40 per cent by 2020.

According to a report (PDF) by the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland (SEAI), more than 40,000 homes and 550 businesses use some form of renewable energy for heat and around 190 wind farms have been connected since 2003, equating to 2,375 MW of renewable electricity capacity. It calculates that if the country meets its 2020 target, renewable energy will displace £620m (€750m) of imported energy every year.

But Ireland needs to do more to meet its renewable energy targets.

The SEAI report states: “To meet the national 2020 goal, a range of existing and new actions – and a scaling up of action across all sectors – will be required.”

According to one industry estimate, if Ireland fails to meet the target, the country could end up paying between £161m (€195m) and £297m (€360m) in fines.

In his opening statement to the planning appeal for a planned €850m Apple data centre in Athenry, Robert Sharpe, senior director of global data centre services at Apple, said his company had covered the electricity used by every one of its existing data centres with 100 per cent renewable energy since 2013.

The Athenry site would be no different.

Calahonda52

rolion wrote: »

In his opening statement to the planning appeal for a planned €850m Apple data centre in Athenry, Robert Sharpe, senior director of global data centre services at Apple, said his company had covered the electricity used by every one of its existing data centres with 100 per cent renewable energy since 2013.

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I don't buy that analysis if I understand the basis of the calculation as done by Apple, Ikea, Kingspan and others.

The basis seems to be, they will pay for enough renewable juice to equal their annual demand but are not using renewable juice at night so they are not off the grid so to speak.

In the case of Kingspan in their green gaff in Co Louth, the annual solar PV output from the roof exceeds their annual usage so they are 100% green.

I don't buy it as an argument, now where is my low emission VW

Keep well.

Calahonda52

Calahonda52 wrote: »

the annual solar PV output from the roof exceeds their annual usage so they are 100% green.

That's not 100% green, it's net export.

quentingargan

Sir Liamalot wrote: »

That's not 100% green, it's net export.

Arguably, it is better than 100% green, because the grid has cleaner electricity at night, and they are exporting during the day when many of the higher carbon stations are running ??

machiavellianme

quentingargan wrote: »

Arguably, it is better than 100% green, because the grid has cleaner electricity at night, and they are exporting during the day when many of the higher carbon stations are running ??

The grid isn't necessarily cleaner at night. Sure, there are generally no peaking plant dispatched but the committed units are reduced to/towards minimum output, but they must still meet system constraints such as reserve, inertia and voltage control. However, emissions are typically higher and efficiencies are lower when operating at reduced output.

100% green means zero hydrocarbons used by the house's energy demand. Simply exporting more electricity than it consumes does not fulfil this. It's not possible be 100% green and import without a 100% green grid.

It is a very difficult thing to achieve; Net export does not mean that it deserves the accolade you are giving it and is a slight to those that do.

Arguably you could say a truly green home is not green until after it has returned it's carbon dioxide payback.

rolion

Based that i have received delivery of my LG panels and ABB inverter...there is no word of Irish FiT yet.


However,in Germany there is a shy begining of reduction or end of FiTs,as per article here and worse in Australia,huge reductions as per article here !!!


http://www.pv-magazine.com/news/details/beitrag/germany--new-renewable-law-does-not-spell-the-end-of-feed-in-tariffs_100025515/#axzz4F4Zqyh6H

http://www.pv-magazine.com/news/details/beitrag/wave-of-fit-reductions-to-hit-over-275-000-australian-solar-households_100025519/#axzz4F4Zqyh6H


I liked the recommendations,as per quote below:

Coping strategies

To minimize the impact of the FIT digressions, the report recommends that households take a number of measures. These include upgrading electricity meters to a smart mater, shopping around for a retailer with the most generous solar FIT, the optimizing of the self consumption of solar electricity produced on site, and switching space and hot water heating from gas to electric.

The Alternative Technology Association modeled the feasibility of households installing lithium ion battery storage, to allow them to maximize their solar self consumption, but found that it does not yet make financial sense for the affected homes to do so.

“The modeling results demonstrate that retro-fitting energy storage to solar is not cost effective for existing solar PV customers prior to 2020 – with some scenarios remaining unfavorable after 2020 (particularly those associated with the larger [7kWh] battery).”

After 2020, the report concludes it’s a different story for storage: “it should be eminently possible for most solar homes to be consuming the majority of their own solar electricity whilst at the same time reducing their annual stationary energy bills to below AU$500 per annum (a reduction of 75% - 83% on what most Australian households currently pay per year).”

Until that point, the Alternative Technology Association recommends households endeavor to shift loads within the household to daylight hours and take steps to move away from the heating of the home and hot water away from gas.

“Steps two & and three [maximizing self consumption and shifting away from gas] will likely take one to three years to implement, by which time batteries will have come down in cost; and your existing inverter may be coming close to needing replacement anyway (a necessary step for existing solar customers moving to a solar-battery system).”


Read more: http://www.pv-magazine.com/news/details/beitrag/wave-of-fit-reductions-to-hit-over-275-000-australian-solar-households_100025519/#ixzz4F4d07h80

rolion

Hi,

What a laughing joke:

HOMEOWNERS and businesses are facing higher electricity bills after a decision to raise the levy on their bills to support renewable energy and to ensure security of energy supply.

The Public Service Obligation (PSO) levy is to go up by 20pc, the Commission for Energy Regulation has decided.


The move will mean the levy on domestic bills will rise by almost €14 to €82 a year, once value added tax is applied, according to calculations by Simon Moynihan of Bonkers.ie.

For commercial electricity users, the levy is going from €214.5 this year to €254.16 - an increase of €39.66, or 18.5pc. This figure excludes VAT as business can reclaim the tax.

Mr Moynihan said: “The energy regulator had initially proposed an increase of 32pc in May, so there is some relief with today’s news.”
The higher levy will apply from October.

The PSO levy is a subsidy charged to all electricity customers to support national policy objectives related to renewable energy, indigenous fuels (peat) and security of energy supply.



My question is: " W H O " is the renewable energy lobby behind !?
Not lastly,we supposed to be happy that it hasnt increased with 32% but only 20... hahahaha

More here ...

quentingargan

Yes - the CER budget for the PSO levy mentions nothing about solar for 2017.

The main reason why the PSO is going up is because fossil fuels got cheaper, plus more wind on the grid

rolion

And slowly we read more about it:


The Government is facing growing pressure to end a costly system of supports for the renewable energy industry that has drawn criticism from some major employers in the Republic, including Kerry Group and multinationals Microsoft and Intel.

From next October, all homes and businesses in the State will be faced with an increase in their electricity bills when the Commission for Energy Regulation (CER) raises its public service charge by €76 million to €400 million to cover the growing cost of supports for the wind industry.

The extra charge, called the Public Service Obligation (PSO), is levied on all electricity users in the Republic. The cash raised supports wind power, other renewable energy and peat-fired electricity generators. As a result, the €400 million raised will be passed on to companies operating these plants, including State-owned ESB and rivals SSE Airtricity and Viridian.



More here ...

rolion

Hi all,


"ISEA's David Maguire gives his policy update following a meeting with the Irish government, which is hoping to make an announcement by the end of the year on a new subsidy framework. This will be followed by a consultation in Q1 2017, which should be get a government response by Q3. This will be followed by a process of securing state aid clearance which the government is hoping to complete within six months. Maguire calls this "optimistic" but admits the government is looking to fast track the process. All in, the message is don't expect a to see a support framework until the end of 2017 with first auction likely at the beginning of 2018."


A 6 ( S I X ) months state consultation will make the solar PVs a possible go-ahead with in Ireland.
So, we should expect a decision on the FIT by end of 2017 more than likely 2018...

More, from sources:

HERE

First Ireland solar auctions not expected until early 2018


and HERE

Solar Media's PV Ireland 2017 conference


and HERE:

Denis Naughten has said not all of Ireland's pipeline of solar projects can be supported by government


So, shorty:
-improve your appliances to A+++
-change your consumption pattern
-buy a solar excess diverter electricity-to-hot water

Enjoy it...

quentingargan

And never put a date on the topic of a post :pac:

rolion

Hi,

Welcome back to ...FIT 2017 !

Not only that no news about the Irish FIT but now we should start praying that we don't get the "Solar Tax Hike" like in UK.
As some of our Depts. gets the time from the Big B.. i'm not going to hold my breath yet...

Have fun ...

DNOs upset they're losing their monopoly.

rolion

Just found this FIT posts here.

Reading across online and surprise...what do they know and we cannot see due to the clouds ?!!

Galway County Council is to consider a plan for a solar PV farm or solar park in Rooaun, Ballinasloe.
The project is led by ENGIE Developments Irl Ltd.
It sets out to develop a solar PV farm to export electricity to the national grid.
The solar panel array would include solar photovoltaic panels on ground mounted frames and two electrical control buildings.
County planners are due to make a decision on the project next month.


More HERE ... and about company HERE .

rolion

SSE Airtricity to supply solar energy to 14,000 homes

Deal with BayWare to run 15 years and use 194-acre facility at Rasharkin, Co Antrim

More HERE ...