Am I an Irish citizen or is my mother?

friendfroma

Hi lads, I have a question about this whole thing. I understand this is upsetting some people and that's not my intention, I'm just trying to get an answer.

I was meant to be moving to Dublin over the coming years to take up work but because some absolute tools somehow thought Brexit was a good idea I'm not longer going to be allowed to just work there and so naturally am applying for an Irish passport. Apologies again if this upsets anybody, I know a few lads on here are a bit frustrated that people seem to be using Ireland as a passport farm.

Anyway, my mother was born in Northern Ireland but has only ever used a British passport and I was born in England. I can't work out if my mum classes as an Irish citizen even though she's never claimed an Irish passport because she was born there, and whether or not I therefore am.

Luckily, my two grandparents are from the North but only ever have Irish passports, so I can fall back on that, but naturally it's much easier if I can work out if my mum classes as an Irish citizen even though she's not got an Irish passport and if I am.

Thanks lads, if this is the wrong place some pointers of where to take my ball would be great.

ceegee

As far as I understand you are an Irish citizen according to:

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/irish_citizenship/irish_citizenship_through_birth_or_descent.html

You would fall under category C

Edit: you will need to register on the foreign birth register

milehip

She would have to apply for an Irish passport,I think she would be entitled to one.

veetwin

friendfroma wrote: »

Hi lads, I have a question about this whole thing. I understand this is upsetting some people and that's not my intention, I'm just trying to get an answer.

I was meant to be moving to Dublin over the coming years to take up work but because some absolute tools somehow thought Brexit was a good idea I'm not longer going to be allowed to just work there and so naturally am applying for an Irish passport. Apologies again if this upsets anybody, I know a few lads on here are a bit frustrated that people seem to be using Ireland as a passport farm.

Anyway, my mother was born in Northern Ireland but has only ever used a British passport and I was born in England. I can't work out if my mum classes as an Irish citizen even though she's never claimed an Irish passport because she was born there, and whether or not I therefore am.

Luckily, my two grandparents are from the North but only ever have Irish passports, so I can fall back on that, but naturally it's much easier if I can work out if my mum classes as an Irish citizen even though she's not got an Irish passport and if I am.

Thanks lads, if this is the wrong place some pointers of where to take my ball would be great.

I don't think anyone envisages a situation where UK Nationals won't be freely allowed to travel, work and reside in Ireland and vice versa.

You do in any case qualify as an Irish citizen. You will as advised have to register on the foreign birth register.

friendfroma

Thank you all for your answers. Disappointing but understandable about registering on the foreign births register. I thought that because my parent is an Irish citizen, I therefore am and could make a first time application without that extra process.

Thanks again - now to see if I can get through to the embassy in London some day.

EDit

Why, 2 days after the referendum, do you think that you wont be able to freely work outside of the UK? People from the UK have been working all over the world for years (and way before the UK joined the EU)

Alun

EDit wrote: »

Why, 2 days after the referendum, do you think that you wont be able to freely work outside of the UK? People from the UK have been working all over the world for years (and way before the UK joined the EU)

Because any EU company wanting to employ a UK national after full brexit will have to go through a lengthy procedure to prove there isn't an EU national with the same qualifications available. Why would they then bother if they can employ am EU citizen with no red tape whatsoever?

EDit

Interesting, I didn't realise that the negotiations for the terms of the Brexit had even started let alone any decided upon already...TBH, this kind of speculation doesn't help anyone

Kristopherus

Alun wrote: »

Because any EU company wanting to employ a UK national after full brexit will have to go through a lengthy procedure to prove there isn't an EU national with the same qualifications available. Why would they then bother if they can employ am EU citizen with no red tape whatsoever?

You're fretting already about something that will, in all probability, not happen. There is a legal agreement in place for free travel between UK and Ireland that pre-dates the EU. So the Irish & British govts. will most likely tell the E.U. to take a hike if they inflict the limitations you think are going to happen.

In any case the Brits are likely to drag their heels in invoking Article 50, so nothing is likely to happen before 2019. You should have yourself well installed in a job here by then, with any luck.

Alun

EDit wrote: »

Interesting, I didn't realise that the negotiations for the terms of the Brexit had even started let alone any decided upon already...TBH, this kind of speculation doesn't help anyone

Well, that is the current state of affairs for EU companies wanting to employ non-EU nationals, like it or not.

Do you seriously think that this would be up for negotiation in any brexit talks?

Alun

Kristopherus wrote: »

You're fretting already about something that will, in all probability, not happen. There is a legal agreement in place for free travel between UK and Ireland that pre-dates the EU. So the Irish & British govts. will most likely tell the E.U. to take a hike if they inflict the limitations you think are going to happen.

In any case the Brits are likely to drag their heels in invoking Article 50, so nothing is likely to happen before 2019. You should have yourself well installed in a job here by then, with any luck.

I'm not talking about the UK / Ireland situation, but in general, i.e. for any UK nationals wanting to seek employment in any of the other EU states post brexit.

friendfroma

EDit wrote: »

Why, 2 days after the referendum, do you think that you wont be able to freely work outside of the UK? People from the UK have been working all over the world for years (and way before the UK joined the EU)

It's something I care deeply about and is it not better to be safe and sorry? If you found yourself in the situation that Ireland had been silly enough to leave and your job in the UK wasn't looking as certain would you not take any step you could?

Marcusm

Alun wrote: »

Well, that is the current state of affairs for EU companies wanting to employ non-EU nationals, like it or not.

Do you seriously think that this would be up for negotiation in any brexit talks?

It's actually the state of affairs for non EEA nationals; even Daniel Hannan, one of Brexit's leading lights, cannot conceive of a situation where the UK is not in the EEA, ie still free movement.

EDit

friendfroma wrote: »

It's something I care deeply about and is it not better to be safe and sorry? If you found yourself in the situation that Ireland had been silly enough to leave and your job in the UK wasn't looking as certain would you not take any step you could?

I am a British citizen who has been working in Ireland for over 12 years, I have an Irish wife and 2 Irish children, so this situation has a major impact on me. Nevertheless, I think it wise to wait and see it happens with the negotiations before I make any preparations rather than following any knee-jerk reactions based on what social media might be telling me

Fred Swanson

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4ensic15

friendfroma wrote: »

Luckily, my two grandparents are from the North but only ever have Irish passports, so I can fall back on that, but naturally it's much easier if I can work out if my mum classes as an Irish citizen even though she's not got an Irish passport and if I am.

Thanks lads, if this is the wrong place some pointers of where to take my ball would be great.

How come you have only 2 grandparents? Most people have 4.

4ensic15

Kristopherus wrote: »

You're fretting already about something that will, in all probability, not happen. There is a legal agreement in place for free travel between UK and Ireland that pre-dates the EU. So the Irish & British govts. will most likely tell the E.U. to take a hike if they inflict the limitations you think are going to happen.

In any case the Brits are likely to drag their heels in invoking Article 50, so nothing is likely to happen before 2019. You should have yourself well installed in a job here by then, with any luck.

Ireland would have to leave the EU itself if it wants to tell the EU to take a hike. EU members cannot have such bilateral agreements with outside countries.

Wanderer78

Everybody needs to mellow out, there's been no negotiations thus far since the vote, I.e. this could go anywhere and could take along time. Everything is the same as before. Oh just because a nation choses to make a democratic vote that isn't to your liking, doesn't mean it's a stupid decision. I'm sure there's options there for you op, it just requires some homework. Best of luck with it

Speedwell

Marcusm wrote: »

It's actually the state of affairs for non EEA nationals

It is not universally the case. By virtue of my status as the non-EU citizen wife of an Irish citizen living with him in Ireland, I have Stamp 4 permission to work for any Irish company. The only thing that an employer has to prove to the government is that I am legally permitted to work. They would have to prove to the government that there was no other qualified citizen in the event that they were sponsoring me for a work visa in Ireland or any other EU country. My UK-based parent company would have to do that to put me on their UK payroll, for example.

Dandelion6

Kristopherus wrote: »

There is a legal agreement in place for free travel between UK and Ireland that pre-dates the EU.

It's not a legal agreement. It's just an arrangement.