Breeding sales - maternal ewes/hoggets

Siamsa Sessions

Hi all,

Does anyone know where a man might find out about breeding sales for maternal ewe lambs or hoggets?

It'd be a bonus if the sale was in the south-east but having to travel wouldn't be the end of the world.

Thanks.

White Clover

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

Hi all,

Does anyone know where a man might find out about breeding sales for maternal ewe lambs or hoggets?

It'd be a bonus if the sale was in the south-east but having to travel wouldn't be the end of the world.

Thanks.

In the SE, maybe Borris mart ?

kk.man

Tullow is good...failing that I've a few if your stuck 😊

paddysdream

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

Hi all,

Does anyone know where a man might find out about breeding sales for maternal ewe lambs or hoggets?

It'd be a bonus if the sale was in the south-east but having to travel wouldn't be the end of the world.

Thanks.

Specific type of sheep or just breeding ewe sales?
Borris not up to much these last few years,sale well past its sell by date.Tullow much better.They run a few brood ewe sales from now till October and usually a good few brood ewes for sale each week.Special sales usually advertised in Journal.
Blessington as well has a fair number of brood ewes each week during the season.Carnew and Baltinglass have a few as well but Tullow and Blessington the big two.

grassroot1

When you say maternal do you mean a maternally proven breed or a f1 cross such as mule or halfbred ewe

ganmo

Blessington is the spot for Cheviots x Suffolk ewe lambs. We'd sell ours there along with some 3/4 yo ewes fit for breeding

Username John

ganmo wrote: »

Blessington is the spot for Cheviots x Suffolk ewe lambs. We'd sell ours there along with some 3/4 yo ewes fit for breeding

This is kinda takin the thread off a bit, I hope you don't mind OP.

Ganmo - you have Cheviots and put a Suffolk ram on em is it?
Picked up some Cheviots ewe lambs last year, and not sure am that impressed with em... Have a Lleyn ram and not sure I'd be better off selling the cheviot hog and a picking up some suffolky type ewe lambs to put with the Lleyn ram (I only have a few ewes and have no interest in getting a new ram)

Thoughts?

arctictree

I had kept a lovely group of llyen ewe lambs from 2015 for selling as breeding stock. Looks like I'm going to have to keep them all myself due to a good few deaths and culling.

ganmo

Username John wrote: »

This is kinda takin the thread off a bit, I hope you don't mind OP.

Ganmo - you have Cheviots and put a Suffolk ram on em is it?
Picked up some Cheviots ewe lambs last year, and not sure am that impressed with em... Have a Lleyn ram and not sure I'd be better off selling the cheviot hog and a picking up some suffolky type ewe lambs to put with the Lleyn ram (I only have a few ewes and have no interest in getting a new ram)

Thoughts?

all chev ewes (bar one) chev and Suffolk rams
did you put them in lamb this year?
ive heard of lads putting llyen onto chevs but never heard how they got on, I reckon they'd be a good cross
What is it you don't like about them?

Username John

ganmo wrote: »

all chev ewes (bar one) chev and Suffolk rams
did you put them in lamb this year?
ive heard of lads putting llyen onto chevs but never heard how they got on, I reckon they'd be a good cross
What is it you don't like about them?

I was afraid the two would be a bit too much light boned, less meat kinda combination. I'd put the Lleyn and the cheviot in a similar lighting kinda sheep. And the Suffolk brings the weight and the meat...
I find the Lleyn on Suffolk a nice combination... Not sure the Lleyn on the cheviot would just be a bit too 'light' if you know what I mean...

How do you find the Cheviots for milk? I have heard both very good and very bad things from different people

ganmo

Username John wrote: »

I was afraid the two would be a bit too much light boned, less meat kinda combination. I'd put the Lleyn and the cheviot in a similar lighting kinda sheep. And the Suffolk brings the weight and the meat...
I find the Lleyn on Suffolk a nice combination... Not sure the Lleyn on the cheviot would just be a bit too 'light' if you know what I mean...

How do you find the Cheviots for milk? I have heard both very good and very bad things from different people

Ya want meaty lambs not meaty ewes.
ya won't be weaning any 50kg lambs off them thats for sure but 40ish is possible off singles with twins comin in around 30. they will milk of their back once they have a back to milk off
are you planning on breeding your own replacements out of them?

Siamsa Sessions

grassroot1 wrote: »

When you say maternal do you mean a maternally proven breed or a f1 cross such as mule or halfbred ewe

We're aiming for a maternal-X (e.g. belclare-X) that will give us a bloodline to work with and build on over a few years. Two main reasons, and I'd welcome any comments on these:

(1) We're just back into sheep again so building up our own numbers

(2) Selling replacements as main output, since lambing early and fattening lambs as fast as possible doesn't suit our set-up (we'll do this as well, but just can't concentrate exclusively on it)

kk.man

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

We're aiming for a maternal-X (e.g. belclare-X) that will give us a bloodline to work with and build on over a few years. Two main reasons, and I'd welcome any comments on these:

(1) We're just back into sheep again so building up our own numbers

(2) Selling replacements as main output, since lambing early and fattening lambs as fast as possible doesn't suit our set-up (we'll do this as well, but just can't concentrate exclusively on it)

I'm in same boat as yourself...getting back into them after years
I find with CV ewe is light boned and also too flighty for lowland farms.
The CV/SF cross is ideal (Borris Type) as she has the benefit of light = less feed req= less fat ewe, lambs follow the father finishing traits and the calmness of the suffock. The all black suffock is too heavy and pure for commercial farms.

Username John

ganmo wrote: »

Ya want meaty lambs not meaty ewes.
ya won't be weaning any 50kg lambs off them thats for sure but 40ish is possible off singles with twins comin in around 30. they will milk of their back once they have a back to milk off
are you planning on breeding your own replacements out of them?

Hi Ganmo,
I know I want meaty leambs, am just worried as to where they'll get the meat from
Twould be for replacements (again, I only have a small few, so its not a big thing like)

I dunno is there something that I am just not liking em more and more... I dunno is it the look of em, or the fact they seem light, or that they are a bit wilder... I dunno... I just find myself looking at em and thinking 'I dunno about em' a lot

Thanks for getting back to me, its good to hear from lads that have first hand experience of em.

Username John

kk.man wrote: »

I'm in same boat as yourself...getting back into them after years
I find with CV ewe is light boned and also too flighty for lowland farms.
The CV/SF cross is ideal (Borris Type) as she has the benefit of light = less feed req= less fat ewe, lambs follow the father finishing traits and the calmness of the suffock. The all black suffock is too heavy and pure for commercial farms.

We always had the black faced Suffolks. Now, they arent pure, but a good few would be black enough - and I like em as ewes. They nice and quiet but most wouldn't be too big or heavy... I have a Lleyn ram on em, and they throw good enough lambs...
But - they can get dirty at times, and I had to cull hard enough over the years to get rid of ones with bad feet...

kk.man

Username John wrote: »

We always had the black faced Suffolks. Now, they arent pure, but a good few would be black enough - and I like em as ewes. They nice and quiet but most wouldn't be too big or heavy... I have a Lleyn ram on em, and they throw good enough lambs...
But - they can get dirty at times, and I had to cull hard enough over the years to get rid of ones with bad feet...

Ivomec classic inj for the dirty ones is your only man...bad feet seems to be more common these days ...don't have an answer for just hard work n culling

Username John

kk.man wrote: »

Ivomec classic inj for the dirty ones is your only man...bad feet seems to be more common these days ...don't have an answer for just hard work n culling

No, don't have many (any hardly) feet issues now, would be the odd one every now and then.

There was a time, when I was bringing em every week nearly, to treat lame legs. But not anymore thankfully, culling hard I think was the key, and I footbath a bit more now, which would have to help as well...

Siamsa Sessions

kk.man wrote: »

I'm in same boat as yourself...getting back into them after years
I find with CV ewe is light boned and also too flighty for lowland farms.
The CV/SF cross is ideal (Borris Type) as she has the benefit of light = less feed req= less fat ewe, lambs follow the father finishing traits and the calmness of the suffock. The all black suffock is too heavy and pure for commercial farms.

I'm inclined to steer away from the Suffolk alright (apologies to the Suffolk lads on here).

They seem a little high maintenance for a part-timer such as myself, especially starting off.

tabby aspreme

Tuesday 5 July, first breeding ewe sale in tullow

White Clover

Username John wrote: »

We always had the black faced Suffolks. Now, they arent pure, but a good few would be black enough - and I like em as ewes. They nice and quiet but most wouldn't be too big or heavy... I have a Lleyn ram on em, and they throw good enough lambs...
But - they can get dirty at times, and I had to cull hard enough over the years to get rid of ones with bad feet...

Them lleyn ewe lambs out of your Suffolk ewes should make great ewes john?