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Are loan repayments income?

  • 22-06-2016 1:20pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,812 ✭✭✭


    If someone lends me a large sum of money and I make monthly repayments to them, does the creditor have to declare those repayments?
    Can they be treated as income even though they're just repayments of a debt?
    There's no interest involved.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,222 ✭✭✭Tow


    No

    When is the money (including lost growth) Michael Noonan took in the Pension Levy going to be paid back?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 738 ✭✭✭Gaillimh1976


    Addle wrote: »
    If someone lends me a large sum of money and I make monthly repayments to them, does the creditor have to declare those repayments?
    Can they be treated as income even though they're just repayments of a debt?
    There's no interest involved.



    Might have to convince Revenue there is really no interest depending on how 'large' we are talking

    But if genuinely no interest, then it's not income

    Only the Interest element of any repayment is income

    (But in the same way, you can't claim the repayments as a tax-deductible business expense, only the Interest if any)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,812 ✭✭✭Addle


    Thanks for the replies.
    It is a large sum but not a gift as it will be repaid.
    We're getting legal advice on it and it will all be above board.
    Definitely no interest being charged.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,310 ✭✭✭scheister


    Addle wrote: »
    Thanks for the replies.
    It is a large sum but not a gift as it will be repaid.
    We're getting legal advice on it and it will all be above board.
    Definitely no interest being charged.

    It will mostly be seen that giving an interest free loan is actually a gift. CAT will be due based on what else the person could have done with the money. ie if they left it in a current account rather then loaning it to you the gift would be the lost interest to them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,812 ✭✭✭Addle


    I understand and don't mind if I incur a liability, I just don't want the lender to.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,675 ✭✭✭exaisle


    scheister wrote: »
    It will mostly be seen that giving an interest free loan is actually a gift. CAT will be due based on what else the person could have done with the money. ie if they left it in a current account rather then loaning it to you the gift would be the lost interest to them.

    Aren't you forgetting the small gift exemption?

    With such low interest rates, it would have to be a huge loan (maybe in excess of €400,000) for the interest lost by the lender in giving an interest free loan, to exceed the annual small gift exemption of €3,000.

    OP hasn't mentioned the amount of the loan other than to say that it is a "large" sum of money so it's difficult to be more specific.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,310 ✭✭✭scheister


    exaisle wrote: »
    Aren't you forgetting the small gift exemption?

    With such low interest rates, it would have to be a huge loan (maybe in excess of €400,000) for the interest lost by the lender in giving an interest free loan, to exceed the annual small gift exemption of €3,000.

    OP hasn't mentioned the amount of the loan other than to say that it is a "large" sum of money so it's difficult to be more specific.

    Not forgetting just did not mention.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,812 ✭✭✭Addle


    Thanks. It's a large sum for us but nowhere near €300k!


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