Major Threads - Read Me!!!

Keano

I've just spent the last hour reviewing the US Open thread and to be honest I wanted to ban about 5-6 posters forever from this place but I'm giving you a chance.

Let me make this simple for next major...

This is a golf forum, we discuss golf so any discussion of player's weight etc will get you a yellow card straight away, repeat offence and you are out of here for the weekend of the major!

Discussing player's WAGS down your local with friends is your business, Boards is not the place to do this, it will be not tolerated.

Any questions?!

Letree

I take it talk of Shane's beard is off limits too

Keano

Letree wrote: »

I take it talk of Shane's beard is off limits too

The beard talk is allowed!

gman127

Keano wrote: »

The beard talk is allowed!

I suggest that each post begins with an observation on how well the beard is looking, failure to do so = immediate ban!

Dirty Dingus McGee

Keano wrote: »

I've just spent the last hour reviewing the US Open thread and to be honest I wanted to ban about 5-6 posters forever from this place but I'm giving you a chance.

Let me make this simple for next major...

This is a golf forum, we discuss golf so any discussion of player's weight etc will get you a yellow card straight away, repeat offence and you are out of here for the weekend of the major!

Discussing player's WAGS down your local with friends is your business, Boards is not the place to do this, it will be not tolerated.

Any questions?!

Why is discussing the physical condition of a professional sportsman not allowed.

It's ridiculous in all fairness seeing as it is something that could be a factor is winning and losing in any sport.

stockdam

And no politics please.....let's stick to golf

Keano

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

Why is discussing the physical condition of a professional sportsman not allowed.

It's ridiculous in all fairness seeing as it is something that could be a factor is winning and losing in any sport.

When Rory play's bad, the sack the caddy brigade come out. When he wins, nadda peep from them.
Shane play's good his weight isn't an issue...he plays bad and he needs to lose 5 stone.
So we will not be ruining good threads with trolls rambling on about it.

Dirty Dingus McGee

Keano wrote: »

When Rory play's bad, the sack the caddy brigade come out. When he wins, nadda peep from them.
Shane play's good his weight isn't an issue...he plays bad and he needs to lose 5 stone.
So we will not be ruining good threads with trolls rambling on about it.

I did actually raise the issue of his weight in the Shane Lowry thread before he started his 4th round so not all talk about it is after.

I just don't see why genuinely discussing something that could have an impact on a players performance shouldn't be allowed.

Derek Zoolander

Keano wrote: »

When Rory play's bad, the sack the caddy brigade come out. When he wins, nadda peep from them.
Shane play's good his weight isn't an issue...he plays bad and he needs to lose 5 stone.
So we will not be ruining good threads with trolls rambling on about it.

But there is constant discussion about McIlroys weight lifting program - impact on his touch independent of winning/losing.

Its pretty nonsensical that in a sport discussion of the fitness/physical preparation for that sport and the potential impact would be censored - all because its Lowry and he's Irish and is a nice guy.

brady23

I didn't read the thread on the US Open really but in a vacuum, reading this thread those conditions are ridiculous.
Personally I think threatening to ban people because they want to discuss a professional athlete's physical condition is laughable.
They are professional athlete's, they are in the public eye, unfortunately criticism is part and parcel of it.
The opinion of posters on a forum such as this could not be less relevant to them so unless posts because particularly nasty and completely irrelevant then it's fine.
From my own professional opinion, questioning Shane Lowrys physical condition is a perfectly fine critique.
I won't be getting involved by any means but all seems pretty unnecessary

The Rape of Lucretia

Keano wrote: »

This is a golf forum, we discuss golf so any discussion of player's weight etc will get you a yellow card straight away,

Thats nonsense. This isnt just gratuitous talk about the weight of a member of the public, a politician, or a TV personality (or like the DJ's wife comments, which had no place in a sports discussion).
Its about an athlete, whose physique is perfectly debatably a factor in his ability to play play a sport, stamina, and perform under pressure in a long round. Lowry is overweight, no doubt about it. For a world ranking sportsman where he is a conspicuous exception to the lean or gym muscled bodies of his peers, this has to be a point people will question and have views on.

FWIW, I dont think it makes any difference to him - he would perform pretty much as he does even if he lost 3st. But the topic still no less valid than discussing someones grip, shoulder turn, forearm strength to hit a ball out of the rough etc.

Keano

Okay guys, I'm willing to test your theory out!

Start a discussion on it and see how long before it turns into he's just too fat type posts versus a real debate.

Seve OB

I'm with Keano.
Fair enough, though to mention a sportsman physical condition, but my jesus, there was a lot of sh1t being thrashed about the place. Mention, comment... move on. That talk didn't belong on the US open thread. Possibly on the Shane Lowry thread, but no need to go on and on and on about it. IMO.

Most of the time thread can go off topic for a bit and don't see anything wrong with the odd harmless comment, joke, cheeky remark etc... but move on and get back on topic.

PARlance

Keano wrote: »

Okay guys, I'm willing to test your theory out!

Start a discussion on it and see how long before it turns into he's just too fat type posts versus a real debate.

Here's the debate:

Shane would win more if he was fitter.
Rory isn't winning because he's too fit.

We haven't a clue. No-one can tell the future or how things like weight would have changed the past. It's not worthy to be called a debate, it's just different opinions and when it's Major time, it's different opinions with a twist.

Do what's needed to limit the craziness is my advice.

Rikand

Keano wrote: »

Any questions?!

Wags are fine imo!

ForeRight

Is it only major threads that lads are not allowed discuss shades weight Keano?

Stheno

brady23 wrote: »

It's not about whether you're allowing a discussion regarding Lowry's weight to occur.
It's about warning people that if the conversation on a thread isn't about a topic you approve of, they'll be punished for it.
That in itself is ridiculous. Starting this thread to signal that warning is juvenile

Some of the posts in the open thread yesterday were utterly puerile

Keano

ForeRight wrote: »

Is it only major threads that lads are not allowed discuss shades weight Keano?

I'd actually agree with that. Not saying it cannot be discussed but in major threads it has no place

brady23

Stheno wrote: »

Some of the posts in the open thread yesterday were utterly puerile

Yeah fair enough that's cool, like I said earlier, I agree with Keano if it descends into total drivel but signalling a warning that certain topics are off limits and if discussed, there will be a ban is pretty ridiculous that's all.

Accidentally deleted my previous post too

mickmackmcgoo

Shane's weight won't interfere with him winning a major . Confidence and mental attitude along with his natural talent will get him one I believe. Angel Cabrera won 2 majors and he is no poster boy for fitness. Craig Stadler another. John Daly won 2 when he was bigger.

Keano

I'm simply saying in major threads it will not be tolerated. With the Open a few weeks away I wanted people to understand

Dirty Dingus McGee

mickmackmcgoo wrote: »

Shane's weight won't interfere with him winning a major . Confidence and mental attitude along with his natural talent will get him one I believe. Angel Cabrera won 2 majors and he is no poster boy for fitness. Craig Stadler another. John Daly won 2 when he was bigger.

It might though.

The fitter you are the less tired you will get from playing and tiredness in any sport leads to mistakes.

If you are only sitting at a desk all day at your job physical fitness would help you.

Considering playing golf involves a lot of walking around in warm weather carrying additional weight could certainly hold back a player.

ForeRight

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

It might though.

The fitter you are the less tired you will get from playing and tiredness in any sport leads to mistakes.

If you are only sitting at a desk all day at your job physical fitness would help you.

Considering playing golf involves a lot of walking around in warm weather carrying additional weight could certainly hold back a player.

Angel Cabreras belly never got in the way of him winning majors

Dirty Dingus McGee

ForeRight wrote: »

Angel Cabreras belly never got in the way of him winning majors

But it still may have held him back.

He may have won even more.

That is the point I am making.

I would think most professional sportsmen would try and eliminate anything that could potentially hold them back.

Obviously a golfer would have to take into account how a change in their weight would affect their technique so it may not have an advantage but it could well have a negative affect on someones performance is what I am saying.

stockdam

My belly never got in the way of me winning golf tournaments........however my utter lack of any talent did.

ForeRight

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

But it still may have held him back.

He may have won even more.

That is the point I am making.

I would think most professional sportsmen would try and eliminate anything that could potentially hold them back.

Obviously a golfer would have to take into account how a change in their weight would affect their technique so it may not have an advantage but it could well have a negative affect on someones performance is what I am saying.

Yeah he might. Shane might buy my point is he might not which is why this and argument is total nonsense

Letree

I think Rory played better golf before the weight lifting. He doesn't need it. Fitness yes but not bulking up.

ForeRight

Letree wrote: »

I think Rory played better golf before the weight lifting. He doesn't need it. Fitness yes but not bulking up.

Ah here!!!!

This could be the one to tip me over the edge...


Goodnight!

CloudCumulus

In Rory's case it's every time he falls in love he starts to play worse.
Why he's in such a rush to marry them all I don't know.

Hoof Hearted2

Keano, have you really thought this one through?, you'll be leaving yourself open to an extraordinary amount additional work if you were to impose strict draconian measures like you outlined above.

Have to agree with others, everything is fair game when discussing public figures, except personal attacks. Anything that may have an impact on a players ability to perform to his best should be up for discussion and that may include, facial hair, equipment, body type, whether or not he carries his change in his right or left pocket, body conditioning, relationships (WAGS), coaches, caddies et cetera, et cetera.

charlieIRL

I'm 100% behind Keano on this one, the amount of utter crap that's posted during a major is unbelievable, and unfortunately 90% is from posters who only visit the forum for majors. I don't know about some of the other sections of boards i don't visit but I can't imagine the mods letting some of the posts go. We don't here, simple as!!

The forum is ticking along nicely as it is right now, lets keep it that way.

Keano

Hoof Hearted2 wrote: »

Keano, have you really thought this one through?, you'll be leaving yourself open to an extraordinary amount additional work if you were to impose strict draconian measures like you outlined above.

Have to agree with others, everything is fair game when discussing public figures, except personal attacks. Anything that may have an impact on a players ability to perform to his best should be up for discussion and that may include, facial hair, equipment, body type, whether or not he carries his change in his right or left pocket, body conditioning, relationships (WAGS), coaches, caddies et cetera, et cetera.

Believe me I think every decision about this forum through. As for draconian measures, really? If I was really following the charter, this forum would be troll free a long time ago

I have no problem with a players fitness etc being discussed in their own threads - JUST NOT IN THE MAJOR THREADS!

Dtoffee

Since his major wins our Mr Harrington lost weight, put on weight and still failed to revisit past glories ..... its on the day and if you start looking for answers you will end up like PH !

I agree some form of fitness is required, but golf is far more mental than physical and mental tiredness can be overwhelming. I think Shane just hit the wall in terms of his thought process and nothing was going his way on the course. He will recover, learn from his experience and hopefully get over the line next time.

As for fitness and golf .... well the Docs tell me its a low impact moderate exercise and only Shane Lowry knows if he lost because he was physically tired. So far there have been no indications of him physically weakening on last days of tournaments and I am happy to believe that he would address such issues if he felt it was a problem. I think we need to accept that we are all not the same and what works for one is not guaranteed to work for all, those who believe being fitter will make you a better golfer are more than entitled to their opinion as are those who dont .... theres enough room for all, just know when to stop the debate.

Hoof Hearted2

Keano wrote: »

Believe me I think every decision about this forum through. As for draconian measures, really? If I was really following the charter, this forum would be troll free a long time ago

I have no problem with a players fitness etc being discussed in their own threads - JUST NOT IN THE MAJOR THREADS!

Yes draconian, why limit any aspect of a players ability to perform at his peak to his own dedicated thread, it makes no sense and and it shouldn't be an issue to discuss the same topics/issues in any thread as it keeps the thread discussion flowing instead of compartmentalising every individual topic.