Infraction in Politics Cafe after being repeatedly misrepresented

Jack Killian

I received an infraction for supposedly

Moderator Note

For a series of haranguing posts questioning another posters command of the English language , just not acceptable.

This was despite repeatedly requesting said poster to stop misrepresenting me; my initial mention of their command of the English language was in an effort to understand WHY they kept doing so; I did not want to assume that they were merely trolling and taunting.

I wasn't the only poster astonished at the way they repeatedly seemed to be unable to understand basic English, and it was genuinely completely unclear as to whether or not they were unable to read/speak or actually trolling to wind people up.

At one stage their posts were right on the borderline re slandering / libelling a TD, and I advised them to ease off to avoid getting themselves or boards into trouble, so I cannot see how I was the one at fault - if I'd been actually deliberately trying to stress them out, then I would not have given that advice, nor would I have checked to see if there was a valid innocent reason for their misrepresentation.

Part of the standard infraction notice references "causing stress for the other members", however there was no recognition or action re any of their posts repeatedly misrepresenting me which ironically caused me stress and at one stage had me biting my tongue to avoid replying in the way that their posts actually deserved.

The "I'm still not sure they are a native English speaker" is surely valid if someone neutral reads their posts, and it's certainly more measured and considered than deducing that someone is "thick as two short planks" or an outright troll ?

If the mod is correct and my posts querying their English / asking them to read more carefully was indeed completely unjustified, then the only deduction possible is that they were trolling. And yet no action was taken.

Can I request a review of same, please ?

Regards
JK

Toots

Hi Jack Killian, can you please confirm whether you have PMd the mod who infracted you, per step 1 of the flow chart above?

Jack Killian

Toots wrote: »

Hi Jack Killian, can you please confirm whether you have PMd the mod who infracted you, per step 1 of the flow chart above?

I have, and I am awaiting a reply.

Their initial notification directed me to here if I had an issue with the infraction - not sure if that is a standard part of the message or whether it indicates that they weren't open to discussing it.

Either way I would appreciate a neutral eye over the exchange in question.

Toots

Jack Killian wrote: »

I have, and I am awaiting a reply.

Their initial notification directed me to here if I had an issue with the infraction - not sure if that is a standard part of the message or whether it indicates that they weren't open to discussing it.

Either way I would appreciate a neutral eye over the exchange in question.

It's a standard bit, I think. If you can't resolve it with the Mod by PM then post back here and I'll have a look at it for you.

Jack Killian

Toots wrote: »

It's a standard bit, I think. If you can't resolve it with the Mod by PM then post back here and I'll have a look at it for you.

Will do. Thank you.

Jack Killian

Jack Killian wrote: »

Will do. Thank you.

ok - this has since gotten way out of hand with the most ridiculous banning ever!

The exact same mod has just banned me for a completely and utterly innocent comment.

This second "infringement" - a straightforward reference to an obvious autocorrect which was blatantly obvious and which I used to actually emphasise and support the other poster's point - was then used to claim that I should have learned not to pass derogatory comments re people's use of English.

It's impossible to think that this isn't a personal vendetta from the mod in question, and to be honest I am on the verge of closing the account after this.

I had gotten no reply whatsoever to the PMs re the first issue, but this is absolutely ridiculous.

If you wish I can get the other poster to back up the fact that no offence was either given or taken from this latest "infringement".

The mod is completely out of order!

Jack Killian

Here is the post that, believe it or not, got me banned. 100% support of DarkPaganDeath's post, with corroborating evidence, and a straightforward lead-in that did have a question mark to ensure that it was an obvious autocorrect.

darkpagandeath wrote:

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/jerry-grant-appointed-managing-director-of-irish-water-1.2687429

They better have included termination clauses in those contracts. Or another Garvey train move.

Garvey or gravy ?

Chief executive John Tierney said two former executives with a consultancy firm that advised on the Poolbeg thermal treatment project when he was Dublin city manager had left the firm by the time Irish Water employed them.
He said they were employed following an “open recruitment” process.
Irish Water’s head of asset management Jerry Grant was the managing director of RPS (Ireland South) until August 2012. Elizabeth Arnett was head of project communications at the same firm until December 2012. She is now head of communications and corporate services in Irish Water.
RPS is a major international consultant firm that advises on energy and other major infrastructure projects.
Last night Irish Water said Mr Grant resigned from RPS in August 2012 and established his own consultancy as a water services specialist.

Jack Killian

The message from the mod

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Date: 16/06/2016 | 23:27
Dear Jack Killian,

You have been banned from Politics Cafe for three days for ignoring a moderator's instructions.

Discussion can become heated, we don't object to that, but when a moderator issues a warning on a thread to reign things in, it stops a heated discussion from turning into a mess.

For more information please refer to the Boards.ie FAQ.

If you wish to appeal this ban you can see details on how to do so here.

******

Moderator Note

Despite getting a red card earlier in the day for questioning a posters grasp of the English language , you once again take a dig at someone for what is obviously a typo/auto-correct issue.

There was absolutely no "dig"

Toots

OK, I'll have a look at this for you. Can you forward me any PMs you sent/received in relation to these please?

Jack Killian

Toots wrote: »

OK, I'll have a look at this for you. Can you forward me any PMs you sent/received in relation to these please?

Thank you.

Do I need to edit out names / mod names ?

Spear

Jack Killian wrote: »

Thank you.

Do I need to edit out names / mod names ?

No, PMs are allowed to be posted here, and transparency is a staple principle of the DRP forum, so no removing of names should be done.

Jack Killian

Spear wrote: »

No, PMs are allowed to be posted here, and transparency is a staple principle of the DRP forum, so no removing of names should be done.

OK. I was also unsure as to whether "forward" meant post them here or forward them via PM ?

So the procedure is to just post them here verbatim ?

Jack Killian

This was the initial "infraction" notice

Dear Jack Killian,

You have been infracted for being uncivil.

Typically, this means that you are posting in a needlessly aggressive or confrontational manner being disruptive on the forum or causing stress for the other members. We don't want that here.

For more information please refer to the Boards.ie FAQ.

If you wish to appeal this infraction you can see details on how to do so here.

Quin_Dub

Moderator Note

For a series of haranguing posts questioning another posters command of the English language , just not acceptable.

Your post:

Jack Killian wrote:

KingBrian2 wrote:

We'll have to stop this discussion since you keep condescending me over and over again. I bring up the points that you refuse to comment on instead simple giving the same reactionary remarks about IW. I accept you might have your own personal circumstances for not liking IW. All I will say is have a more open view about IW and not be so narrow minded about others that you disagree with. I attempted to stay on topic by mentioning the good that IW did but due to constant condescension it is better that we simple agree to disagree. When or if I do comment on here again no need to reply to me and neither will I get involved in a discussion with you.

To end on a lighter note good day to you and I wish you well. :cool:

No need to reply to this comment either.

All the "points" you raised were false; I did discuss them - I pointed out that they were false and that you needed to inform yourself.

I am not "narrow minded with people I disagree with" if they have informed themselves and don't type fiction, and any condescension was down to you repeatedly arguing and misrepresenting me.

I would be in serious doubt as to whether you speak English, as "you keep condescending me" is not a valid phrase, but I checked that last night to see if that was the reason you seemed to misinterpret everything, in the hope that you weren't deliberately misrepresenting, but you said that you were Irish born and that that wasn't the reason.

Anyway, good luck!

Jack Killian

My 2 replies (unanswered)

There was no "series of haranguing posts"; there were a series of posts correctly pointing out that all of their posts were not only false but were insulting and inflammatory towards me, misrepresenting my position completely.

If you are now saying that those weren't because of an inability of theirs to read and understand English, then I trust you will issue and infraction to them for each and everyone one of their inflammatory and argumentative posts.

Hi Quin_Dub

Just checking in to see if we can resolve this.

Given that KingBrian2 had repeatedly either misrepresented or misunderstood basic facts, plus the fact that I had advised them re slandering / libelling TDs, do you not agree that my intent was clearly not to "cause stress" ? That I did my best not to assume the worst of them ?

Do you also not agree that they themselves were repeatedly posting in a way that causes stress and was inflammatory ? Despite them being corrected pretty calmly on numerous occasions, even to the point of trying to laugh it off ?

Please advise as to whether we can resolve this between us in a way that shows fairness and even-handedness; I'd almost accept the infraction had they received likewise for their repeated trolling and deliberate misrepresentation, which is the only logical conclusion if I am to take from your post that their grasp of English was not in question.

Awaiting your reply,
JK

The next correspondence was the one with the "ban" for the supposed "dig".

Jack Killian

The next PM from the mod was the ban

Date: 16/06/2016 | 23:27
Dear Jack Killian,

You have been banned from Politics Cafe for three days for ignoring a moderator's instructions.

Discussion can become heated, we don't object to that, but when a moderator issues a warning on a thread to reign things in, it stops a heated discussion from turning into a mess.

For more information please refer to the Boards.ie FAQ.

If you wish to appeal this ban you can see details on how to do so here.

Quin_Dub

Moderator Note

Despite getting a red card earlier in the day for questioning a posters grasp of the English language , you once again take a dig at someone for what is obviously a typo/auto-correct issue.

Your post:

Jack Killian wrote:

darkpagandeath wrote:

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/jerry-grant-appointed-managing-director-of-irish-water-1.2687429

They better have included termination clauses in those contracts. Or another Garvey train move.

Garvey or gravy ?

Chief executive John Tierney said two former executives with a consultancy firm that advised on the Poolbeg thermal treatment project when he was Dublin city manager had left the firm by the time Irish Water employed them.
He said they were employed following an “open recruitment” process.
Irish Water’s head of asset management Jerry Grant was the managing director of RPS (Ireland South) until August 2012. Elizabeth Arnett was head of project communications at the same firm until December 2012. She is now head of communications and corporate services in Irish Water.
RPS is a major international consultant firm that advises on energy and other major infrastructure projects.
Last night Irish Water said Mr Grant resigned from RPS in August 2012 and established his own consultancy as a water services specialist.

My reply was as follows:

That was not a dig - I can get DPD to confirm this if you wish - and I know well that it was an autocorrect issue.

I used it to lead into a man article supporting their point.

It's impossible not to are making the assumption that it was just in order to justify your action.

I have raised both issues now in dispute resolution, and will be contacting DPD directly to refute your interpretation

Toots

Thanks for the PMs Jack, I'll post back here as soon as I have a decision.

Taltos

Marking as resolved as OP has closed their account.