Meat industry Irelands big plans

tabby aspreme

Piece on agriland about this, the good times for sheep are on the way, housing and dairy boom are history, strangely very little mention of the farmer in the article.

Can someone put up a link pls.

orm0nd

tabby aspreme wrote: »

Piece on agriland about this, the good times for sheep are on the way, housing and dairy boom are history, strangely very little mention of the farmer in the article.

Can someone put up a link pls.

http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/factories-plan-increase-national-lamb-kill-1-million-head-per-year/

When dairy quotas went, I said over in the dairy forum that expansion was never going to benefit the farmer & of course I was shot down,

me thinks it's the same in the sheep sector,

it's jobs for the boys and of course the fool farmer will be the guinea pig

charolais0153

They cut us now when we have x amont of lambs what will they do when we have 1million. If there was fixed price scheme I wud do it in a heart beat e.g. lambs are 5.8 until 31st may, 21 kilos. 5.5 until 19th June . 21.5 kilos thereafter 22 kilos after 10th July etc. All the profit that is going to be made doesn't mean 1 cent has to go the farmer

Green farmer

They talk of big numbers, but this is achieved by farmers giving all the things the factories want ie more year around supply ( to ensure price paid to farmers doesn't get too high ) and selling in lambs at "market specifications " ( 16-17 kg a lamb ) again with little money to farmer. Hard to see where the farmer will benefit if market becomes flooded with lamb.

Username John

Green farmer wrote: »

They talk of big numbers, but this is achieved by farmers giving all the things the factories want ie more year around supply ( to ensure price paid to farmers doesn't get too high ) and selling in lambs at "market specifications " ( 16-17 kg a lamb ) again with little money to farmer. Hard to see where the farmer will benefit if market becomes flooded with lamb.

Sheep will never return super money, as its too easy to get into... So if prices were to rise, easy for lads to buy ewe lambs, put em with a ram, loads o lambs on he ground next year, prices fall...

In my very simplistic economic view... but I am generally wrong about such things too...

rangler1

Username John wrote: »

Sheep will never return super money, as its too easy to get into... So if prices were to rise, easy for lads to buy ewe lambs, put em with a ram, loads o lambs on he ground next year, prices fall...

In my very simplistic economic view... but I am generally wrong about such things too...

+1
The dairy boys will have to learn the rules of the market too, they're driving on production and then are surprised when the price drops.
I wouldn't like to see breeding ewe numbers crossing 3 million again. supply and demand seems to be on an even keel at the moment, the rush into dairying was a big help to lamb price

Green farmer

rangler1 wrote: »

I wouldn't like to see breeding ewe numbers crossing 3 million again. supply and demand seems to be on an even keel at the moment, the rush into dairying was a big help to lamb price

Don't tell them that. I remember 2 years ago the beef prices slumped and all those lads started buying up store lambs at silly money. I went out looking for some ewe lamb replacements and couldn't buy any. I Was continuosly outbid as id only pay a sustainable level price.

rangler1

Green farmer wrote: »

Don't tell them that. I remember 2 years ago the beef prices slumped and all those lads started buying up store lambs at silly money. I went out looking for some ewe lamb replacements and couldn't buy any. I Was continuosly outbid as id only pay a sustainable level price.

I meant that every acre used for dairying wasn't available for sheep expansion, even john fagan is converting to rearing dairy replacements......

Markcheese

rangler1 wrote:

+1 The dairy boys will have to learn the rules of the market too, they're driving on production and then are surprised when the price drops.

But its world price for globally traded commodities that affects dairy prices.. what irish farmers has very little effect.. plus most of the processing facilities are farmer owned .... so they've upscaled processing capacity...

rangler1

Markcheese wrote: »

But its world price for globally traded commodities that affects dairy prices.. what irish farmers has very little effect.. plus most of the processing facilities are farmer owned .... so they've upscaled processing capacity...

Supply and demand sets the price.......the same as it has done for lambs for years, except we don't have intervention

Siamsa Sessions

That PR article from MII is all about getting farmers to produce more, as if we were holding everyone back.

No mention of what they'll do with all the extra lamb or how they'll develop new markets. Sure consumption of lamb is falling in Europe.

But oh no, if only them useless farmers could get their lazy, thick a*ses in gear - then everyone would be flying.

This type of rubbish is best ignored. It'll be all forgotten next week

ganmo

the harvest 2020 was very carefully worded in that it it said volume in some cases and value in others
this is just a wishlist!

Green farmer

ganmo wrote: »

this is just a wishlist!

Think you hit the nail on the head ganmo