Objection to planning

dellWlan

I hope this is the correct forum.

At the entrance to my housing estate on a vacant site we assumed was originally meant to be for a house there is planning permission being sought for a 24/7 unmanned petrol station.

Obviously I intend to object but this is my first experience of having to object.

I'm looking for some feedback on my own thoughts and some direction or ideas if anyone has any.

1) how helpful will the council be. I assume a level of impartiality is required to make and objective decision but if I were to contact them would they be willing to help with access to plans, Access to the original plans for the estate and the sites original intended purpose, access to similar applications in the past and the objections, or even just a pointer in the direction of those presumably freely available online decisions.

2) there are 6 other garages/garage sites including one that's no longer pumping fuel. Within 2kms of each other along the same stretch of road. Another garage is clearly not needed. Is that something that's self evident or is that a legitimate complaint from a resident of the area.

3) these garages would presumably object to the competition and whether that's in itself a valid complaint for them or just capitalism would it be worth contacting them and would they be likely to supply information or help of any description in relation to our complaints. They must have a stack of info on planning difficulties they have run into or objections that have been successful upheld against them.

4) local businesses would they be likely to help?

5) we have the alleged support of a local politician who suggested a petition. I've read elsewhere that petitions are ineffective, as part of a number of objections does a petition have a purpose?

6) as I said its at the entrance of the estate. The estate is reasonably large off a main busy road with another estate opposite with a small roundabout giving us access to the main road. The proposed site is literally looking on the round about and I would have concerns for traffic and access being affected. Again reading online it warned of having technical info to back up concerns of traffic or likely impact on the road network in the vicinity. Are my concerns in lay terms enough or do I need more info?

Any thoughts or suggestions would be gratefully appreciated.

Thanks.

Angry bird

Ring the council to find out whether the original estate plans can be viewed online or do they have to be retrieved from storage, may be a fee for this. When plans are available to view, go into the council and check out the zoning, is there a specific objective for the site, anything that's relevant. Your objection will probably be based on traffic hazard, and question their traffic impact assessment if they have one. Next, the bad neighbour line or negative impact on neighbouring residential amenity. Planning doesn't concern itself really with competition but no harm to mention the area is well served for such and a better use would be a house or whatever than this as it serves no useful purpose etc. Anyway find out as much as you can at the planning office and take it from there. Objection fee is 20 bills. Good luck.

Effects

Angry bird wrote: »

Planning doesn't concern itself really with competition.

Really? So they have no problem granting permission for something that's not needed?

A friend of mine was recently objecting to an application in rural Dublin, Fingal area.

Application was for a bunch of shops and takeaways in a town where there's no need for them. Plenty built in the boom which were never used or else closed down as the business just wan't there.

I'd have thought this was something that would be taken into consideration.
We had enough bad planning decisions made in the past.

Calahonda52

Is this it here:
52.828556, -8.979441,
the vacant site at the end near the road/roundabout.?
https://www.google.ie/maps/place/Limerick+Rd,+The+Hawthorns,+Clonroad+More,+Ennis,+Co.+Clare/@52.8286631,-8.9802913,460m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x485b132b502ba029:0xc6516aae774800a4!8m2!3d52.8325459!4d-8.9808593?hl=en

This is the planning application, which is at pre-validation stage.
http://www.eplanning.ie/ClareCC/AppFileRefDetails/16473/0
The commercial development across the street will help their case as with
10) Vehicular entrance and exits along the North Western boundary
there wont be any through traffic.

The fact that it is unmanned/unwomened means that you won't have all the yummy mummies driving in their 4 by 4 to get ice creams for their darlings, or the late night shoppers or the lads/lassies hanging around: it will be card payment only.
The house adjacent to site is getting a 6' wall,
Could be a lot worse.

Waste of 20 euro IMhO.

I cant access the drawings as I need Windows/IE8 which I don't have.

Angry bird

Effects wrote: »

Angry bird wrote: »

Planning doesn't concern itself really with competition.

Really? So they have no problem granting permission for something that's not needed?

A friend of mine was recently objecting to an application in rural Dublin, Fingal area.

Application was for a bunch of shops and takeaways in a town where there's no need for them. Plenty built in the boom which were never used or else closed down as the business just wan't there.

I'd have thought this was something that would be taken into consideration.
We had enough bad planning decisions made in the past.

They've tightened up on competition with town and village centres re edge of town sites, beyond this it never was nor should be the Councils concern re what you're talking about. That and over zoning.

Gumbo

Calahonda52 wrote: »

I cant access the drawings as I need Windows/IE8 which I don't have.

Nothing uploaded onto the site anyway at the moment.

No Documents available

chippers

OP if you want to get an idea of how the planner assesses planning applications for PFS's then have a look at other applications for similar proposals that have been made elsewhere in the County. Concentrate on the planners report and the section on assessment. Do the same with An Bord Pleanalas website, search 'petrol filling station' and in the cases that come up look at the inspectors report and focus on the assessment section.

While each and every case is unique etc you should be able to pick up on important planning matters that come up frequently when assessing a pfs proposal and apply them against your particular application. This should give you a good structure and focus for your objection.

Atlantic Dawn

Would the best objection not be on fire danger grounds with it being so close to housing espeically seeing as it's unmanned? I thought there was no new fuel stations allowed to be built anywhere near housing?

Gumbo

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Would the best objection not be on fire danger grounds with it being so close to housing espeically seeing as it's unmanned? I thought there was no new fuel stations allowed to be built anywhere near housing?

The fire issues can be engineered out depending on its position and distance from the closest dwelling.