Live Trade to Turkey

Buford T. Justice XIX

Turkey agrees to take live Irish cattle



http://www.farmersjournal.ie/turkey-agrees-to-take-live-irish-cattle-211680

Cattle under 12 months and 300kgs.

Looks like a bit of competition for cattle might break out again:)

Bullocks

Will it be E and U type continentals or will they take a fr if he is around the weight and under the year old ?

Water John

That's good to see. Too many finished cattle in this country gives too much leverage to factories. Farmer looses. Better to finish 70 cattle at a profit than 100 at a loss.

TPF2012

Bullocks wrote: »

Will it be E and U type continentals or will they take a fr if he is around the weight and under the year old ?

Article in agriland said bull weanlings from suckler herd.

Bullocks

TPF2012 wrote: »

Article in agriland said bull weanlings from suckler herd.

I see BB I think that said they wanted beef bred cattle alright ,I don't know why but I thought they might prefer the fr out there

charolais0153

TPF2012 wrote: »

Article in agriland said bull weanlings from suckler herd.

Its a bit of a tight market though ; under 300 kilos .it will provide a market for may and April calves though I suppose

Base price

Bullocks wrote: »

Will it be E and U type continentals or will they take a fr if he is around the weight and under the year old ?

IMO that trade prefers FR and FRx bulls.
The biggest problem is getting secure/reliable payment either cash or bank transfer on the day which doesn't happen.
Some will look at your stock on farm and agree a price per kg when delivered to the dock/ship and then pay you 30 days later. Others will accept the weight docket from your local mart but again pay you 30 days later.
Edit to say I have memories of "live exporters" burning farmers.

Water John

In that case Base, should their not be some bonding scheme put in place?
Theorethical markets would not be much use.

Base price

Water John wrote: »

In that case Base, should their not be some bonding scheme put in place?
Theorethical markets would not be much use.

At the moment unless you sell through a mart there is no guarantee of payment - http://www.independent.ie/business/farming/marts-the-only-way-to-go-for-guaranteed-payments-26477131.html
TBH with some of the haveral shippers/agents (beef/store cattle) that have been operating in the last 2 decades I would prefer to eat the cattle rather then wait for payment.

TITANIUM.

One particular exporter jumped the gun on this one. Snapped up sometime like 1200 cattle and is now trying to offload same. Shame they want the cattle so light but I guess that makes sense if your trying to fit as many as you can on a boat.

Base price

TITANIUM. wrote: »

One particular exporter jumped the gun on this one. Snapped up sometime like 1200 cattle and is now trying to offload same. Shame they want the cattle so light but I guess that makes sense if your trying to fit as many as you can on a boat.

Maybe a newbie to the market or alternatively an experienced cute hoore.
Hope he paid (in real notes) the farmer that he bought the cattle from.

TITANIUM.

Base price wrote: »

TITANIUM. wrote: »

One particular exporter jumped the gun on this one. Snapped up sometime like 1200 cattle and is now trying to offload same. Shame they want the cattle so light but I guess that makes sense if your trying to fit as many as you can on a boat.

Maybe a newbie to the market or alternatively an experienced cute hoore.
Hope he paid (in real notes) the farmer that he bought the cattle from.

Well this lad is a well known cattle dealer that has been involved in exporting cattle with years. The cattle were almost all bought thru the marts or put thru the mart. I know one lad that bought a fairly large number off him last week at what I would imagine is a loss to the would be exporter.

rangler1

TITANIUM. wrote: »

Well this lad is a well known cattle dealer that has been involved in exporting cattle with years. The cattle were almost all bought thru the marts or put thru the mart. I know one lad that bought a fairly large number off him last week at what I would imagine is a loss to the would be exporter.

There was two boats inspected two years ago and they went off and filled up somewhere else.....wouldn't be too hopeful.
They'll buy as cheap as they can, wonder what they're giving and how it compares with other countries

_Brian

All the talk of cattle prices collapsing in the back end of the year, would this Turkish outlet do anything to stop the drop in prices expected ??

Water John

Are our factory friends already talking down the price for the Autumn? I thought they usually waited until July for that. Starting early.

Milked out

http://www.thejournal.ie/readme/turkey-farming-irish-cattle-live-exports-2825808-Jun2016/?utm_source=twitter_self
Thing like this will be a growing issue going forward no doubt

tractorporn

Milked out wrote:

Thing like this will be a growing issue going forward no doubt

Without any doubt, the extremist vegan view is becoming more and more prevalent and more and more populist.

But if what's being reported is true it's not a great image to be portraying.

Waffletraktor

tractorporn wrote: »

Without any doubt, the extremist vegan view is becoming more and more prevalent and more and more populist.

But if what's being reported is true it's not a great image to be portraying.

Just shows how stupid and removed joe public is of food to be honest, cries for slaughter in ireland? FOok sakes.

bogman_bass

Having dealt with Turkish Vets I wouldn't get too excited. They are the masters of red tape and changing their mind!

tanko

First it was the Chineese, then it was the Americans now the Turks are going to make us rich, sure we'll all be millionaires in no time.

laoch na mona

tractorporn wrote: »

Without any doubt, the extremist vegan view is becoming more and more prevalent and more and more populist.

But if what's being reported is true it's not a great image to be portraying.

I wouldn't call welfare concerns extremist vegan views . It is a bit hypocritical though to be upset about cattle in trailers but eating chicken thats never seen the light of day

leg wax

has anyone watched the cattle been slaughtered in turkey do we really want to send our livestock out to be treated like that, our vets should go out there first to see what they are at , look it up on you tube , halal slaughter in turkey.

tractorporn

laoch na mona wrote:

I wouldn't call welfare concerns extremist vegan views . It is a bit hypocritical though to be upset about cattle in trailers but eating chicken thats never seen the light of day

I agree these are legitimate welfare concerns but a quick search will find vegans calling artificial insemination "rape".

I find that an extreme view imo and I find it very disrespectful to actual rape victims.

Cavanjack

leg wax wrote: »

has anyone watched the cattle been slaughtered in turkey do we really want to send our livestock out to be treated like that, our vets should go out there first to see what they are at , look it up on you tube , halal slaughter in turkey.

Just looked at one clip it's desperate. All our beef should be leaving in a box IMO.

Base price

Cavanjack wrote: »

Just looked at one clip it's desperate. All our beef should be leaving in a box IMO.

I have witnessed some rough practice (Halal slaughter) in Irish factories over the years but nothing compared to that video and I didn't watch it to the end.. Cannot understand why the use the slaughter box only to attach a leg chain :mad:

milligan2

Base price wrote: »

I have witnessed some rough practice (Halal slaughter) in Irish factories over the years but nothing compared to that video and I didn't watch it to the end.. Cannot understand why the use the slaughter box only to attach a leg chain :mad:

"The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way they treat their animals" Gandhi.
I personally would not send them my animals from watching those clips after rearing them in a good environment

_Brian

Nasty stuff ok, didnt finish watching it..

Shows that both for animal welfare and value add we should be killing and processing anything we can here before shipping..

laoch na mona

tractorporn wrote: »

I agree these are legitimate welfare concerns but a quick search will find vegans calling artificial insemination "rape".

I find that an extreme view imo and I find it very disrespectful to actual rape victims.

completely agree with you on that

bullnuts

Turkish market only want limousine or charolais just seen on agriland? At maximum weight of 300 kg I would have taught angus and Hereford would be included! After reading this thread and the recent attempted coup one could question are we better off without this market

freedominacup

bullnuts wrote: »

Turkish market only want limousine or charolais just seen on agriland? At maximum weight of 300 kg I would have taught angus and Hereford would be included! After reading this thread and the recent attempted coup one could question are we better off without this market

Every animal not available to the factories can only help with prices.

Dawggone

freedominacup wrote: »

Every animal not available to the factories can only help with prices.

Market whores?

I know the guy that helped open that market for French beef a while back. 'Twill be interesting when I meet him again! Suppression of journalism, staged coup de état etc etc.

Then again everybody turns a blind eye to human rights suppression in China...

mf240

bullnuts wrote: »

Turkish market only want limousine or charolais just seen on agriland? At maximum weight of 300 kg I would have taught angus and Hereford would be included! After reading this thread and the recent attempted coup one could question are we better off without this market

Given recent events I wouldn't like to be the one getting off a boat looking for a few euros for the cattle .

pedigree 6

mf240 wrote: »

Given recent events I wouldn't like to be the one getting off a boat looking for a few euros for the cattle .

Still ongoing over there. How many people in jail now?
Cattle are here. It's working out the payment arrangements that's taking time.

Dawggone

mf240 wrote: »

Given recent events I wouldn't like to be the one getting off a boat looking for a few euros for the cattle .

Export credit insurance...:)

Bullocks

Dawggone wrote: »

Export credit insurance...:)

Only one man to get that

Dawggone

Bullocks wrote: »

Only one man to get that

Yep.

freedominacup

Dawggone wrote: »

staged coup de état etc etc. .

It's been a while. Maybe the oul institutional memory has been dulled a bit. The military had it down to a tee up to twenty years ago.

kowtow

Dawggone wrote:

Export credit insurance...

Oh the irony.

Ireland the only buyer for Turkish credit cover. Well can use that 26% GDP.