Stolen Bike

oppenheimer1

If someone leaves their bike parked up unlocked on a busy city street is their carelessness partly responsible if the bike is stolen?

On the one hand you'd think no, of course they couldn't be responsible, people are entitled to not have their possessions stolen. On the other, one could say the above the above is extremely naïve, and people are responsible for not putting themselves or the things they own in harms way as it's a dangerous world after all.

Ruu

I'm going to throw a punch in your direction, it's your fault if you get hit!:o

corner of hells

Ruu wrote: »

I'm going to throw a punch in your direction, it's your fault if you get hit!:o

WTF did you do that for , I was only looking at the poxy bike.

SEPT 23 1989

No totally responsible option?

RayM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

No totally responsible option?

So, the perceived carelessness of the victim absolves the perpetrator of all responsibility then?

Jesus...

Casshern88

I had my bike locked on abbey st in Dublin, locked across the street from the side entrance to pennys, at about 8pm. This was a few months back so it was dark out. I was gone for max 30 min. came back lock was broken bike was gone.

To be honest i wasn't even that mad. I should have known better. I had a crap lock on my bike which was easy to break and was parked on a very poorly lit street in an arguably dodgy area with low pedestrian traffic at that time.

Lesson learnt, an expensive one but not something that's libel to happen to me again. I always secure bike with two high quality locks now and leave it in as open a place as i can.

Badly Drunk Boy

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

No totally responsible option?

No, because by leaving a bike unlocked, you are not forcing anybody to steal it. You may be tempting some scumbag to take it, but it's ultimately their decision to thieve.

biko

It's not even inviting someone to rob it.

Robbery is all in the mind of the scummer. The responsibility lie solely with them.

Buona Fortuna

Isn't the said cyclist just

irresponsible

Speedwell

If I leave my life savings lying around in a bank account and I use your fake ATM that scans my card and steals my PIN, am I exercising due diligence given that I know such things exist?

If I leave my drink lying around on the bar while I turn to talk to someone, am I irresponsible because someone was able to slip a drug into it?

If my society leaves an economy lying around and some bankers and corporate lawyers find a way to arrange things to their own profit so that public services collapse, is the society responsible?

If I fall asleep in a public place, is everyone entitled to do what they want to me?

Is any crime permissible just because it involves the owners leaving something lying around unattended?

After all, it's a dangerous world.

kneemos

Speedwell wrote: »

If I leave my life savings lying around in a bank account and I use your fake ATM that scans my card and steals my PIN, am I exercising due diligence given that I know such things exist?

If I leave my drink lying around on the bar while I turn to talk to someone, am I irresponsible because someone was able to slip a drug into it?

If my society leaves an economy lying around and some bankers and corporate lawyers find a way to arrange things to their own profit so that public services collapse, is the society responsible?

If I fall asleep in a public place, is everyone entitled to do what they want to me?

Is any crime permissible just because it involves the owners leaving something lying around unattended?

After all, it's a dangerous world.

If you stick your head up in the middle of a gun battle and get killed you're somewhat responsible.
If you are aware of the dangers but choose to ignore them then you are responsible .

Sleepy

You're going to turn this into a question about rape, aren't you?

alchemist33

What colour is the bike?

Your Face

Anyone want to buy a bike?

kneemos

Sleepy wrote: »

You're going to turn this into a question about rape, aren't you?

Wouldn't even mention that word around here.The acceptable opinion has been written in stone and sent down from the mountain.

LDN_Irish

If a bike gets stolen in the woods and nobody is around to hear it, will the Indo still make it front page news and and label it part of the rural crimewave sweeping through Ireland?

DavyD_83

It's definitely not acceptable for it to be stolen.
But there is a certain element of stupidity/naivety involved, that means the owner cannot be seen as having no responsibility.

If I leave €50 on the footpath outside the shop while I do my shopping and it's gone when I come back, am I in any way responsible for my loss?

If I went on holidays for 2 weeks, leaving the front front door wide open with a big sign saying "on holiday, back 26th June" and my house was burgled, should I be seen as responsible? I know what the insurance company would say

Capt'n Midnight

DavyD_83 wrote: »

If I leave €50 on the footpath outside the shop while I do my shopping and it's gone when I come back, am I in any way responsible for my loss?

Slight difference as the €50 is negotiable tender

Nevermind the thief , even a person purchasing that bike later on would be guilty of receiving stolen goods , and the bike would have to be returned to the original owner.





The proper thing to do is take the bike to a police station and if the owner doesn't claim it then a year and a day later it's yours. And that's what I was doing, except it started to rain so I put it in my shed so it wouldn't get wet.

chillin117

I have seen Bikes worth hundreds locked with euroshop locks

LeinsterDub

LDN_Irish wrote: »

If a bike gets stolen in the woods and nobody is around to hear it, will the Indo still make it front page news and and label it part of the rural crimewave sweeping through Ireland?

Only if it happens in rural Ireland

XR3i

the last good bike was the 1997 raleigh

all dem modern bikes are sh1te

genericguy

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

If someone leaves their bike parked up unlocked on a busy city street is their carelessness partly responsible if the bike is stolen?

On the one hand you'd think no, of course they couldn't be responsible, people are entitled to not have their possessions stolen. On the other, one could say the above the above is extremely naïve, and people are responsible for not putting themselves or the things they own in harms way as it's a dangerous world after all.

Owner wholly responsible. Owner knows we live in a world that has scum in it, and is thus accountable for a failure to protect their asset from scum.

LDN_Irish

genericguy wrote: »

Owner wholly responsible. Owner knows we live in a world that has scum in it, and is thus accountable for a failure to protect their asset from scum.

Completely agree. The bike owner should be charged with theft and the bike thief should get compensation.

rubadub

DavyD_83 wrote: »

If I leave €50 on the footpath outside the shop while I do my shopping and it's gone when I come back, am I in any way responsible for my loss?

It is quite different. Why would you leave a 50 note outside a shop? I know the reason people would leave a bike outside.

If you can come up with a good reason I would like to hear it. Since I can think of none I would expect most can't either and so would not think someone has left the 50 note outside expected to see it later. They would presume it was dropped by mistake. Some may bring it to the gardai, some would not trust the gardai though (rightly IMO), these poeple may keep it or give it to charity, some may try and find the rightful owner in some other way (again if they do not trust the gardai). If they left it in the street then it might blow away and be lost forever.

If I lose a 50 I would presume it gone for good, I would not even bother contacting gardai. If I lost a worthless wallet with my name in it and a fifty in it I would contact the gardai as I would guess its more likely to be handed in, and that the gardai or any other finder are less likely to simply pocket it and chalk it up to good luck.

fatknacker

Can we get the part where we equate scantily clad women getting raped to property theft please?

Capt'n Midnight

XR3i wrote: »

the last good bike was the 1997 raleigh

all dem modern bikes are sh1te

pretty sure it used an imported Giant frame and imported Shimano equipment and imported tyres and ...

imme

You're not giving us enough info OP.
Was it left for 30 seconds, was it left on a suburban foot path or on a city centre traffic light???

Bicycle theft is still a big and annoying problem in Ireland.
You don't get the same messing in Germany or Japan and the likes.

But we are not germany or even Japan, hence we have little scumbags and scumbag intermediaries who deal in stolen bicycles\parts. :mad:

People should be able to leave their bicycles where they please (within reason) without putting 4 or 5 locks on them.

Cathy.C

How come almost everywhere you go you will see bikes locked to railings that have a vandalized bent wheel, but yet you will never see this happening.

oppenheimer1

fatknacker wrote: »

Can we get the part where we equate scantily clad women getting raped to property theft please?

Sleepy wrote: »

You're going to turn this into a question about rape, aren't you?

Says more about you and your personality trying to drag the thread off topic tbh than anyone or anything else.

Archeron

rubadub wrote: »

It is quite different. Why would you leave a 50 note outside a shop? I know the reason people would leave a bike outside.

If you can come up with a good reason I would like to hear it..

Temporary paper bridge to help a snail across a really small oil spill.

tritium

Archeron wrote: »

Temporary paper bridge to help a snail across a really small oil spill.

Owner isn't responsible for the actions of scummers.

Owner may however be unlikely to ever see the bike again. While they're not responsible for the theft they cant expect the statement "I should be able to leave my bike here" to be as effective as a good bike lock. If they really wanted to protect the bike they'd quit with the stuff about how the world *should * be and go buy a good bike lock