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info13

Just wondering if thinking of going out to watch the Euro match Monday and having 1 pint what's the law on driving home?

Say if I drank it first half?

Pro Hoc Vice

info13 wrote: »

Just wondering if thinking of going out to watch the Euro match Monday and having 1 pint what's the law on driving home?

Say if I drank it first half?

If you over the limit you risk a ban. The limit is lower for learners novice and professional drivers. If any of those 3 pretty much a small amount can put you over the limit. I follow a if I have a drink I don't drive and if it's a serious session I don't drive the next day either.

info13

Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »

If you over the limit you risk a ban. The limit is lower for learners novice and professional drivers. If any of those 3 pretty much a small amount can put you over the limit. I follow a if I have a drink I don't drive and if it's a serious session I don't drive the next day either.

So as a professional driver would the 1 pint put me over the limit?

Bobthefireman

You can either
A: drive and not drink
B: drink and not drive

athtrasna

info13 wrote: »

So as a professional driver would the 1 pint put me over the limit?

As a professional driver you should know the limits! Safer for everyone if you either don't drink or don't drive on Monday night.

K.Flyer

info13 wrote: »

So as a professional driver would the 1 pint put me over the limit?

Nobody can give a definitive answer, depends on your metabolism and alcohol strength.
If you are a professional driver is it really worth risking your licence just for 1 pint.
Either leave the car behind or don't drink.

Pro Hoc Vice

info13 wrote: »

So as a professional driver would the 1 pint put me over the limit?

What's his weight what's the % when did he start drinking when did he finish what time was he arrested what time was the test taken was the test blood/urine or was it breath. If you can answer all the questions a person might be able to hazard a guess which as its a guess it may be wrong.

But at a rough calculation a male of average build will eliminate a unit of drink per hour a unit is a half pint of average strength beer.

I would not risk as a professional driver any drink.

Bobthefireman

You're an awful tool. You'd risk your license and livelihood for one pint? You're a cheap date.

Speedwell

Nobody is going to tell you it is OK to drink and then drive. Give over.

info13

Bobthefireman wrote: »

You're an awful tool. You'd risk your license and livelihood for one pint? You're a cheap date.

Simply was asking what the law is how much is the limit. I don't remember writing in my original post it's what I am going to do.

Pro Hoc Vice

info13 wrote: »

Simply was asking what the law is how much is the limit. I don't remember writing in my original post it's what I am going to do.

2) A person shall not drive or attempt to drive a mechanically propelled vehicle in a public place while there is present in his or her body a quantity of alcohol such that, within 3 hours after so driving or attempting to drive, the concentration of alcohol in his or her blood will exceed a concentration of—

(a) 50 milligrammes of alcohol per 100 millilitres of blood, or

(b) in case the person is a specified person, 20 milligrammes of alcohol per 100 millilitres of blood.

(3) A person shall not drive or attempt to drive a mechanically propelled vehicle in a public place while there is present in his or her body a quantity of alcohol such that, within 3 hours after so driving or attempting to drive, the concentration of alcohol in his or her urine will exceed a concentration of—

(a) 67 milligrammes of alcohol per 100 millilitres of urine, or

(b) in case the person is a specified person, 27 milligrammes of alcohol per 100 millilitres of urine.

(4) A person shall not drive or attempt to drive a mechanically propelled vehicle in a public place while there is present in his or her body a quantity of alcohol such that, within 3 hours after so driving or attempting to drive, the concentration of alcohol in his or her breath will exceed a concentration of—

(a) 22 microgrammes of alcohol per 100 millilitres of breath, or

(b) in case the person is a specified person, 9 microgrammes of alcohol per 100 millilitres of breath.

kirving

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Pro Hoc Vice

Mod. Kevin Irviings post deleted

Is that for a normal licence holder or a professional driver considering a professional/learner/novice has a limit almost 1/3 of a full driver.

OldMrBrennan83

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Pro Hoc Vice

Patww79 wrote: »

What constitutes a professional driver??

All set out in the Act

"specified person” means a person who at the time of an alleged offence under section 4 or 5 —

(a) is the holder of a learner permit,

(b) holds his or her first driving licence, for a period not exceeding 2 years from its date of issue,

(c) is the holder of a driving licence licensing the holder to drive a vehicle in the category C, C1, D, D1, EB, EC, EC1, ED, ED1 and W while driving, attempting to drive or being in charge of such a vehicle,

(d) is the holder of a licence to drive a small public service vehicle granted under section 34 of the Taxi Regulation Act 2003 or section 82 of the Principal Act or a person purporting to be such a holder while driving, attempting to drive or being in charge of such a vehicle, when the vehicle is being used in the course of business,

(e) does not hold, at the time or, at any time within the period of 5 years prior to the commission, of the alleged offence a driving licence for the time being having effect and licensing the person to drive a vehicle of the category concerned, or

(f) is deemed under section 8 to be a specified person."

foxatron

Dont even bother. Not worth it. Compare the pleasure youd get from 1 pint vs losing your license or worse!

hullaballoo

foxatron wrote: »

Dont even bother. Not worth it. Compare the pleasure youd get from 1 pint vs losing your license or worse!

This.

Even if you compare the benefit of having 1 pint to the hassle of getting arrested, brought to the station, wait for the required time, argue over the test method, eventually get your blood taken, wait for results etc. Even if you are released as an innocent man at that point, you've had your day ruined for the sake of 1 pint.

Silly.

4ensic15

Think of the costs of a drink driving defence. A fully argued defence can cost between thousands.
You you get an awful lot of taxi fares for the same money. I met a man who spent 12k on an ultimately unsuccessful drink driving defence. A taxi for the distance he had to go would have cost a tenner (including tip). Go figure!

Cathickey

Ho asking this for a family members who has to appear in court on 7jult for drink driving the Garda has just contacted him looking for insurance cert this was not asked for at time of arrest will this stand to him. Also the Garda did not ask if he wanted Irish English language and some personal belongings were not in the police statement . Also he was allows to go the loo i20 min obvs period

Pro Hoc Vice

Cathickey wrote: »

Ho asking this for a family members who has to appear in court on 7jult for drink driving the Garda has just contacted him looking for insurance cert this was not asked for at time of arrest will this stand to him. Also the Garda did not ask if he wanted Irish English language and some personal belongings were not in the police statement . Also he was allows to go the loo i20 min obvs period

Tell your family member that he should contact a good solicitor who will happily answer all questions.

nhunter100

info13 wrote:

So as a professional driver would the 1 pint put me over the limit?

Cathickey wrote:

Ho asking this for a family members who has to appear in court on 7jult for drink driving the Garda has just contacted him looking for insurance cert this was not asked for at time of arrest will this stand to him. Also the Garda did not ask if he wanted Irish English language and some personal belongings were not in the police statement . Also he was allows to go the loo i20 min obvs period

What??

Cathickey

Sorry the text went off! On the police report received from the Garda it failed to mention that he was allowed to go to the toilet and also answer a phone call from his wife. Along with his keys and phone he also had two lighters and money in jeans this was not listed on the Garda statement. The Garda contacted him yesterday to ask for his insurance cert which had not been asked for at all since the arrest

Pro Hoc Vice

Cathickey wrote: »

Sorry the text went off! On the police report received from the Garda it failed to mention that he was allowed to go to the toilet and also answer a phone call from his wife. Along with his keys and phone he also had two lighters and money in jeans this was not listed on the Garda statement. The Garda contacted him yesterday to ask for his insurance cert which had not been asked for at all since the arrest

Go to a solicitor legal advice not allowed by forum charter.

doolox

If you cannot produce your licence at the time of being checked for alcohol impairment you will be deemed to be a specified driver and be tested at the lower limits applicable to professional drivers.

Always bring your licence with you.

There are no definitive rules with which to gauge blood alcohol levels in an individual until the test is done at the station. Some people have faster metabolisms, more effective livers, better fat/muscle ratios etc than others.
Size matters but the weight must be the right kind of weight, fat does not dissolve alcohol so that a person with more muscle mass and less fat will be able to absorb and eventually burn off alcohol quicker than a fat less muscular person with equal weight.

Ability to "hold drink" does not translate into ability to pass the evidential test, blood or urine, at the station. A person may FEEL cold sober and appear capable of performing most required motor tasks and still fail the test while another person may appear and feel woozy and pass. I recall a workmate with a bad speech impairment, very temperate in his habits who was constantly being pulled by the guards because they mistook his speech impairment for inebriation, he also had poor gait and motor skills as part of his condition but was still a very steady driver. He knew his limitations and stuck to his no drink when driving and moderate drinking habits because of this self knowledge.

I find that the regime for drink driving enforcement has improved dramatically in Ireland and there now exists a complete oprobrium to drink driving in general society. I believe an individual will not receive any pity or moral support if caught now whereas he would have in the past. On the subject of gender based proportions of drink driving cases it is reported that more women are drink driving and getting caught than in the past. Gardai are much more likely to breathylise women than in the past at checkpoints and more women are drinking more than in times past. Among their peers women can expect no mercy or support unlike what was the case for men in the not too distant past.

This change of social norms does not appear to have made its way to the minds of the Healy Rea brothers who are almost unique in Western Society in supporting a continuance in a drink drive culture. We are not alone in having a problem with impaired driving as countries such as Poland, the Baltic republics and Russia all have high levels of impaired driving in spite of 0 levels of alcohol and stringent penalties. Of course our middle Eastern friends also have 0 levels allowed and huge penalties for breaches because they have total prohibition of alcohol sales and consumption except in very restricted circumstances.

4ensic15

doolox wrote: »

If you cannot produce your licence at the time of being checked for alcohol impairment you will be deemed to be a specified driver and be tested at the lower limits applicable to professional drivers.

Always bring your licence with you.

The only reason you are citing for bringing the license is to avail of higher drink-drive limits. Why are you condoning drinking and driving?

Dial Hard

doolox wrote:

If you cannot produce your licence at the time of being checked for alcohol impairment you will be deemed to be a specified driver and be tested at the lower limits applicable to professional drivers.

I'd say the OP is delighted with this advice, two years after the match he was planning to have his pint during.