TV3 reporters on RTE

gercoral

what's the deal with loads of TV3 reporters moving to RTE?

Darren Frehill
Claire Byrne
Dave Kelly
Will Goodbody
Diane Connor
Brian O Donovan

Talk about poaching! :O

12Phase

People move jobs... possibly better terms of employment at RTE and far more scope for reporting.

gercoral

conditions must be amazing.. i dont see them moving in the other direction

12Phase

It's hardly surprising though. TV3 is much smaller and less well resourced. Money isn't everything. There's just much, much more scope to do a range of different programming, work across radio, television, documentary, online etc etc at RTE.

Unfortunately, we haven't really got the kind of counterbalance you get in the UK against BBC because the commercial sector in TV here is much smaller and younger.

AwaitYourReply

gercoral wrote: »

what's the deal with loads of TV3 reporters moving to RTE?

Darren Frehill
Claire Byrne
Dave Kelly
Will Goodbody
Diane Connor
Brian O Donovan

Talk about poaching! :O

Other ex-TV3 staff to join RTÉ include:

Gráinne Seoige
Ray Kennedy
Joanne Cantwell
Steven Murphy
Sharon Tobin

ex-TV3 staff to join Other stations include:
Claire Brock > UTV Ireland
Conor McNamara > BBC Radio 5 Live

former total

gercoral wrote: »

what's the deal with loads of TV3 reporters moving to RTE?

Darren Frehill
Claire Byrne
Dave Kelly
Will Goodbody
Diane Connor
Brian O Donovan

Talk about poaching! :O

Claire Byrne must be at RTE for five years, I don't ever remember Will Goodbody being at TV3, nor Darren Frehill, so I assume it was years ago.

What's your point?

12Phase

Vincent Browne was on RTE for years and moved to TV3

Pat Kenny moved to Newstalk...

Ian Dempsey was a mainstay of RTE for years and moved Today FM.

It's not entirely one way traffic.

Ol' Donie

Yer one off that super substantial seven o'clock show on TV3 used to be on RTE.

icdg

While I'm going to move this thread to broadcasting, I'm kinda unsure of the point the OP is trying to make here. I'm going to watch this thread and it'll be closed if it doesn't go anywhere

On a more general note - people move jobs and companies all the time, the fact that broadcasters do it in the public eye doesn't mean that they are disentitled to do so or should be somehow indentured to the company that gave them their break. It's called having a career. They are entitled to move subject to any terms in their contract that restrict them on that point.

Elmo

RTE staff also move.

Unfortunately, we haven't really got the kind of counterbalance you get in the UK against BBC because the commercial sector in TV here is much smaller and younger.

Really don't think this is a reason. TV3 have been on the air for nearly 20 years at this stage. For most of that time it had the top ITV soaps and programmes. It could have grown much more substantially.

AwaitYourReply

former total wrote: »

Claire Byrne must be at RTE for five years, I don't ever remember Will Goodbody being at TV3, nor Darren Frehill, so I assume it was years ago.

What's your point?

Will Goodbody was a news reporter at TV3 in the station's early years and he would have been quite active in stories like Dublin local news/court reports if I recall.

Now that I think of it, another news reporter who used also work at TV3 was John Kilraine and he is now also at RTÉ covering Dublin based stories/court reports.

Darren Frehill was on sport and he would have been a regular presenter of the programme, "Sports Tonight" which used to go out on late evenings at TV3 in the days before "Tonight with Vincent Browne". Presenters of Sports Tonight would have included the likes of: Trevor Welch, Aidan Cooney, Tommy Martin, Des Curran, Joanne Cantwell and so on.

gordongekko

Darragh maloney and mark Cagney are ex rte

Jayop

Thanks to the truly unique way RTE is funded (Licence and ad revenue) they can afford to poach the talent from elsewhere. These individuals have done nothing wrong, but RTE have done and will continue to do so while they retain dual funding.

Elmo

Jayop wrote: »

Thanks to the truly unique way RTE is funded (Licence and ad revenue) they can afford to poach the talent from elsewhere. These individuals have done nothing wrong, but RTE have done and will continue to do so while they retain dual funding.

TV3 and all Radio stations have the ability to sell more advertising than RTE this should provide them with the ability to poach such talent from RTE. The main competitors to RTE TV are owned either by ITV and Virgin Media major multination companies.

Jayop

Elmo wrote: »

TV3 and all Radio stations have the ability to sell more advertising than RTE this should provide them with the ability to poach such talent from RTE. The main competitors to RTE TV are owned either by ITV and Virgin Media major multination companies.

So? Virgin and others aren't in Ireland to spend money they earn elsewhere.

RTE have money coming from the State and from Ads. They are completely noncompetitive and should have one or the other.

12Phase

The licence fee should be limited to RTE 1, Radio 1, Lyric and RnaG.

RTE 2 Television and 2FM should sink or swim. I don't think that it's very fair to have them doing anything other than commercial stuff as that's exactly how they behave.

I can't see *anything* public service about 2FM in particular. It's a commercial music station.

Elmo

So? Virgin and others aren't in Ireland to spend money they earn elsewhere.

The idea that Virgin, ITV and Communicorp are not strong enough to take on RTE should be put to bed. Of course they all have the right to make money from other source but all have the ability to be better. Dual funding has nothing to do with competition in the current climate.

The licence fee should be limited to RTE 1, Radio 1, Lyric and RnaG.

...and the Orchestras, some over to the BAI, some to TG4, some free programming to TG4, RTEjr (tv/radio), RTE News Now and digital radio services.... oh and not forgetting providing funding to the Oireachtas because of the mess they made of OTV.

Jayop

Elmo wrote: »

The idea that Virgin, ITV and Communicorp are not strong enough to take on RTE should be put to bed. Of course they all have the right to make money from other source but all have the ability to be better. Dual funding has nothing to do with competition in the current climate.



...and the Orchestras, some over to the BAI, some to TG4, some free programming to TG4, RTEjr (tv/radio), RTE News Now and digital radio services.... oh and not forgetting providing funding to the Oireachtas because of the mess they made of OTV.

Virgin and the rest are at a competative disadvantage in Ireland. RTE have dual funding and no matter how big they are, they can't compete at the same level with that. They're comercial entities and they are now going to plough in money that they can't get back.

The orchestras would be the first thing I'd cut from the TV license. Farcical waste of money.

Elmo

Jayop wrote: »

Virgin and the rest are at a competative disadvantage in Ireland. RTE have dual funding and no matter how big they are, they can't compete at the same level with that. They're comercial entities and they are now going to plough in money that they can't get back.

The orchestras would be the first thing I'd cut from the TV license. Farcical waste of money.

If they are at such a disadvantage why did both ITV and Virgin buy up Services in the last year? If either wanted they could earn more from advertising than they currently do but as you say that would cost money and its a risk.

So on the one hand get rid of RTE2 and 2fm because the lack Public service broadcasting on the other get rid of Orchestras because they might be consider are a white elephant rather than of public benefit.

The dual funding is largely eat up by other aspects of RTE.

icdg

There is no discussion of the licence fee anywhere in Cable and Digital other than the licence fee sticky

Elmo

icdg wrote: »

There is no discussion of the licence fee anywhere in Cable and Digital other than the licence fee sticky

I think we need two separate threads. One to discuss when you should pay the fee and when you should pay the fee and other advice (which the licence fee thread ends up being).

Another to discuss the use of the fee, the collection of the fee, dual funding, commercial and public service broadcasters, broadcasting competition etc.

topmanamillion

gordongekko wrote: »

Darragh maloney and mark Cagney are ex rte

Darragh Maloney is the chief Soccer broadcaster on RTE.
This poaching has been going on for years to the point where if any reporter has been at TV3 for more that 5 years without going to RTE then they aren't very good.

TG4 also lose a lot of their brightest stars to RTE withe the likes of Dathi o'shea having start out there.

RTE are simply top dog, give the best career opportunities and can pay the best salaries.
Brian Dobson is on about 200k/year.
I've no idea what the likes of Alan Cantwell is on but I'd hazard a guess it's a long way shy of that.

Elmo

topmanamillion wrote: »

I've no idea what the likes of Alan Cantwell is on but I'd hazard a guess it's a long way shy of that.

Not anymore

PacMan

I think Ray Kennedy is underused on RTE.
He has filled in recently, for Brian Dobson on Six -One news, but for some strange reason was sitting in the other seat/chair, normally reserved for Sharon and she was in Brians chair.

Anyhow, I do believe his presentation is excellent. He has worked on Sky news also ?

icdg

On the short lived Sky News Ireland IIRC.

The Young Wan

PacMan wrote: »

I think Ray Kennedy is underused on RTE.
He has filled in recently, for Brian Dobson on Six -One news, but for some strange reason was sitting in the other seat/chair, normally reserved for Sharon and she was in Brians chair.

Anyhow, I do believe his presentation is excellent. He has worked on Sky news also ?

The most senior reporter usually sits on the left.

Todd Toddington III

RTE aren't allowed use the same reporter twice in the same month so had to draft a few extra in....plus they need to justify the license increase that will inevitably follow

STB.

gordongekko wrote: »

Darragh maloney and mark Cagney are ex rte

Both came from radio.

As TV goes Darragh Maloney was always RTE. He never worked at TV3.

Likewise Cagney never had a TV program on RTE that I am aware of. He has hinted at his retirement from Ireland AM as he is now 60 and feels out of tuch with the demographic.

@ICDG. I think the discussion of the licence fee here was brought in by Jayop. The point he was making was that RTE can afford to pay these staff more because they have dual funding. The truth is that RTE do possibly pay more, but ultimately any journalist/presneter/broadcaster worth their salt has those aspirations.

The reason they have dual funding is that the licence fee isn't enough to pay for PSB TV. TV3 knew what they were entering into when they took up their broadcasting licence. It never ceases to amaze me that people cannot distinguish between commercial private outfits and publically funded TV.

Todd Toddington III

STB. wrote:

It never ceases to amaze me that people cannot distinguish between commercial private outfits and publically funded TV.

The bbc is publicly funded tv, rte is a subsidised broadcaster with ad revenue helping inflate the wage bill. How many reporters do they really need?

Elmo

Todd Toddington III wrote: »

The bbc is publicly funded tv, rte is a subsidised broadcaster with ad revenue helping inflate the wage bill. How many reporters do they really need?

BBC is hugely commercial with lots of other funding such as a 50% in UKTV which over took Channel 5 & Sky in UK.

Todd Toddington III

Elmo wrote:

BBC is hugely commercial with lots of other funding such as a 50% in UKTV which over took Channel 5 & Sky in UK.

I never said they weren't a commercial outfit so what's your point? I said they were publicly funded in comparison to RTE which is subsidised by the public

Elmo

Todd Toddington III wrote: »

I never said they weren't a commercial outfit so what's your point? I said they were publicly funded in comparison to RTE which is subsidised by the public

Both are partially publicly funded/subsides and both have inflated wages.

Todd Toddington III

Elmo wrote:

Both are partially publicly funded/subsides and both have inflated wages.

The bbc is subsidised by commercial enterprise and is ad free, rte is subsidised by ad revenue and couldn't sell snow to..., agree on inflated wages

STB.

Todd Toddington III wrote: »

The bbc is publicly funded tv, rte is a subsidised broadcaster with ad revenue helping inflate the wage bill. How many reporters do they really need?

Both are publically funded from the TV licence fee. One just receives a lot more and doesn't need advertising as a result.

TV Licence monies 2014

RTE €179 Million

BBC €4,763 Million

Additionally the BBC received commercial income of €1,714 Million which is from BBC Worldwide and the Grant in Aid for running their World Service.

I hope that puts into context your mantra that the BBC can do it, why cant RTE. The wages in the broadcast industry fluctuate according to how good you are and how much they want you.

Dodge

RTE also "employ" freelancers for a lot of sports stuff. You'll see people like Des Curran, Stephen Alkin etc work for RTE, TV3 and Setanta at various times.

gordongekko

STB. wrote: »

Both came from radio.

As TV goes Darragh Maloney was always RTE. He never worked at TV3.

Likewise Cagney never had a TV program on RTE that I am aware of. He has hinted at his retirement from Ireland AM as he is now 60 and feels out of tuch with the demographic.

@ICDG. I think the discussion of the licence fee here was brought in by Jayop. The point he was making was that RTE can afford to pay these staff more because they have dual funding. The truth is that RTE do possibly pay more, but ultimately any journalist/presneter/broadcaster worth their salt has those aspirations.

The reason they have dual funding is that the licence fee isn't enough to pay for PSB TV. TV3 knew what they were entering into when they took up their broadcasting licence. It never ceases to amaze me that people cannot distinguish between commercial private outfits and publically funded TV.

Sorry it was actually con Murphy I meant not detract maloney. There is also Laura Woods.

STB.

gordongekko wrote: »

Sorry it was actually con Murphy I meant not detract maloney. There is also Laura Woods.

Con was never at Tv3 either! He was a lifer in RTE prior to leaving them 4 years ago. Darragh and Con both came from Century Radio.

gordongekko

STB. wrote: »

Con was never at Tv3 either! He was a lifer in RTE prior to leaving them 4 years ago. Darragh and Con both came from Century Radio.

Con is deffo on TV3 he does the sport.

Dodge

Con was an RTE man but took redundancy about 3 years agoo whne RTE was looking to downsize to go freelance. He works for a number of companies now, including TV3

AwaitYourReply

STB. wrote: »

Con was never at Tv3 either! He was a lifer in RTE prior to leaving them 4 years ago. Darragh and Con both came from Century Radio.

I believe he has been doing work for TV3 for a while. Whether or not, he is directly employed or working freelance remains to be seen but I seem to recall that I saw him on screen in this past week and I thought he had aged since I last saw him on screen. Not sure if it was in relation to Ireland:AM or it's weekend editions Saturday:AM or Sunday:AM? Perhaps it was one of the TV3 UEFA Euro 2016 programmes that he was involved in as he would usually have an involvement in Sport.

http://www.sportsjoe.ie/football/video-behind-the-tv3-scenes-with-kevin-kilbane-and-neil-lennon-on-champions-league-night/51542

You have to scroll down the above Web page to see footage of what sounds like Con Murphy's style (unfortunately, we can only see him with his back turned to the camera) He appears to be recording commentary for TV3's match coverage of an Arsenal Vs Bayern Munich UEFA Champions League tie from November 2015 in this piece.

I wonder who will replace Ivan Yates when he departs his various media duties such as Sunday:AM on TV3 in a few weeks time. He'll also depart as co-presenter of Chris Donoghue on Newstalk Breakfast 106-108fm.

STB.

gordongekko wrote: »

Con is deffo on TV3 he does the sport.

He may be now, but the thread title is TV3 reporters on RTE.

He came from radio like Maloney. They both worked with Paddy Clancy back in the Century days. Maloney went to 104 as Head of Sport, Con to RTE, then Maloney followed him.

I havent actually caught Con on Tv3. Last I had heard he was doing bits and pieces with Nova. He's a sound lad even if he is a Rovers fan.

gordongekko

STB. wrote: »

He may be now, but the thread title is TV3 reporters on RTE.

And the thread developed to show that it is not one way traffic, that a lot of TV3 people have come from RTE

STB.

gordongekko wrote: »

And the thread developed to show that it is not one way traffic, that a lot of TV3 people have come from RTE

Fair point !