oncologist told my friend to avoid soya milk. I don't know what to think now.

Mikkl

Has anybody done the research on this one. I could spend hours googling but I'm coming at this from an Irish perspective of course. Articles relevant to American health might not be relevant to my health. I thought there was oestrogen in meat itself anyway. I am wondering if any oncologist has ever advised somebody to eat less meat. Probably not. I use a mixture of milks too, almond & coconut for cereals and soya for tea. Soya milk tastes ok in tea. Probably consuming about two litres of soya milk per week. Even if there are on balances some hormonal considerations with soya milk, two litres per week is less than 300mls a day.
Just wondering if there is ANY to worry about. Cow's milk is linked to breast cancer as well, so surely the benefits and disadvantages, at worst, balance out.......

Anybody have any research-based thoughts!?

I'd be very grateful.

fitzyg

I've also been looking into whether soy is healthy or not recently as I rely on it quite a bit too. I came across this great youtube video and I'd really recommend watching it. I can't post links but if you search "unnatural vegan soy" on youtube the video will come up first. In the description bar there are references for everything she says from peer reviewed scientific journals, so its all reputable and research-based info. Really helpful vid - In short, soy is healthy!!

Edward Hopper

Did your friend ask the oncologist why they suggested what they did? I'm guessing they have no vested interest in dairy or being anti vegan, they are worried about their health, and obviously your friends treatment is/was serious enough. I'd strongly suggest them discussing it with him or her again before setting off watching Youtube videos and making a decision from those or any other well meaning individuals on the Internet. Who have no idea what medication your friend had been on, for what cancer they were being treated, what other issues their cancer had caused etc etc etc.

RacoonQueen

If you google it, you will find plenty of articles for and plenty against (just like anything) - the first one I clicked into when I googled talked about the carcinogenic properties of soy. I don't think anyone really knows, your friend would be better off asking the oncologist why they don't recommend consumption of soya milk and if this applies to all soy products or just the milk.

The properties of different things can have different effects - for example, the FODMAP diets, recommended for IBS sufferers says to avoid soya milk and derivivtes made from beans but allows for soya milk and poducts made from soy protein

Sam Kade

Soy milk comes from genetically modified crops which have lots of side effects.
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/1822466.html

Speedwell

I've been on the fence about this, myself. Soy products are consumed widely in the East, and are often credited for a lower cancer rate there, but in the past their consumption of soy has been comparatively "whole" and unrefined, and less daily intake in total than we eat in the West when you consider the amount of oils, proteins, supplements, and other highly refined soy products we consume. If you stick to a small amount of soy milk (the 300 ml per day does not sound excessive) and eat your soy food in the form of tofu, green soybeans, cooked dried soybeans, and other comparatively whole and natural foods, and avoid foods with highly refined soy (including too much soy sauce!), you should be largely OK. That is, assuming you are otherwise healthy. My mother had estrogen-dependent breast cancer and was taking Tamoxifen, and I warned her off soy products (her oncologist said it was probably a good idea).

LeinsterDub

Sam Kade wrote: »

Soy milk comes from genetically modified crops which have lots of side effects.
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/1822466.html

Unproven 'side effects'

jh79

Sam Kade wrote: »

Soy milk comes from genetically modified crops which have lots of side effects.
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/1822466.html

What a combination, Huff Post and Mercola. Do you really trust a website and a doctor that are anti vaccine, anti fluoridation anti gm and have claimed numerous times to have cured cancer?

spurious

Often people with thyroid issues are advised to avoid large amounts of soya based foods.

newacc2015

The link between Dairy and Cancer has not been proven at all. Calcium in milk can prevent some cancers will other cancers have some association with dairy, but it is not conclusive


http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/about-cancer/cancers-in-general/cancer-questions/does-milk-cause-cancer

Is soya milk healthy? A lot of the reports on it are conflicting as one study might say it affects iron uptake while the following year it says it doesnt

http://www.bonappetit.com/entertaining-style/trends-news/article/tofu-what-does-science-say

I dont like soya as I think it is highly processed and full of sugar. I know there is unsweetened ones, but are pretty disgusting IMO compared to skimmed milk. I don't like how soya is grown either. Huge amounts of the rain forest is being cut down to produce it versus Irish milk which is produced from 90% grass fed diets by cows

Speedwell

This information on soy-drug interactions may be helpful. It's perfectly possible that the OP's friend's oncologist was recommending that they stay away from soy for any of the listed interactions and not because soy is inherently unhealthy or dangerous.

http://www.mayoclinic.org/drugs-supplements/soy/interactions/hrb-20060012

Of course, anyone who notices being a little short of breath or gets a bit of a rash after eating soy is showing a sensitivity to it, or even an allergy.

Sam Kade

jh79 wrote: »

What a combination, Huff Post and Mercola. Do you really trust a website and a doctor that are anti vaccine, anti fluoridation anti gm and have claimed numerous times to have cured cancer?

Usual lame argument, run down the link, there's plenty other websites giving similar information why don't you check them out for your approval, either way I won't be drinking soy milk any time soon.

jh79

Sam Kade wrote: »

Usual lame argument, run down the link, there's plenty other websites giving similar information why don't you check them out for your approval, either way I won't be drinking soy milk any time soon.

Like it or not both the huff post and Mercola are completely devoid of any credibility . The study on GM they reference does not stand up to any sort of scrutiny so whatever websites you are referring to are just rehashing the same same nonsense as Mercola when it comes to GM food.

Tar.Aldarion

Nothing wrong with soy or GM at all. here is why i think we should be pro-gmo http://www.vegangmo.com/?page_id=655

To the OP, you would need to find out why they said that to see if there is any good reasoning, no idea though at soy milk is practically water and a few percent soy.
Certainly nothing wrong with it unless there are certain personal medical reasons.

YFlyer

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

Nothing wrong with soy or GM at all. here is why i think we should be pro-gmo http://www.vegangmo.com/?page_id=655

To the OP, you would need to find out why they said that to see if there is any good reasoning, no idea though at soy milk is practically water and a few percent soy.
Certainly nothing wrong with it unless there are certain personal medical reasons.

From the link:


Environment: Creating plants that use fewer pesticides and fertilizers will help us strive toward a sustainable agriculture that’s less detrimental to all life on this planet. Fewer insects would be killed, less runoff will poison fish, and no- or low-till agriculture will save the lives of ground-dwelling animals.


Any reputable research to back these claims?

rustyzip

I can't understand why more people don't make their own milk.. from shredded coconut (organic milk can be made for about 50cent a litre) or nuts.. takes minutes.

Speedwell

rustyzip wrote: »

I can't understand why more people don't make their own milk.. from shredded coconut (organic milk can be made for about 50cent a litre) or nuts.. takes minutes.

Doesn't have the same nutritional profile or cooking characteristics (no, it does NOT).

Mikkl

Edward Hopper wrote: »

Did your friend ask the oncologist why they suggested what they did? I'm guessing they have no vested interest in dairy or being anti vegan, they are worried about their health, and obviously your friends treatment is/was serious enough. I'd strongly suggest them discussing it with him or her again before setting off watching Youtube videos and making a decision from those or any other well meaning individuals on the Internet. Who have no idea what medication your friend had been on, for what cancer they were being treated, what other issues their cancer had caused etc etc etc.

True, I believe that the oncologist would be invested in to the recovery of her patients first and foremost.... but I could also believe that she is happy to believe that soya is the bad guy. Like, my friend was not advised to cut down on meat, alcohol, sugar, dairy..... so, just soya then. My friend is by her own admission a foodie and a carnivore and is only too happy to believe that this is the last word in good advice. I'm a diplomat. I nodded.

New Home

newacc2015 wrote: »

I don't like how soya is grown either. Huge amounts of the rain forest is being cut down to produce it versus Irish milk which is produced from 90% grass fed diets by cows

A lot of soy is grown in European countries, too (6.75% of the world's production in 2008 came from Europe), in normal fields where other crops would be grown at different times and on rotation. That has to be a bit of good news, both in terms of rainforest preservation and in terms of sourcing it more locally.