Buying car-just sign logbook?

Bleating Lamb

Have looked through the FAQ on buying a car guide hut just want to double check,will be completing deal for a car later today from a car trader who sells from home.

Do I just sign the registration logbook for the car,pay for the car and then it is up to the seller to post it off to get registration details changed?

Thanks for any replies this morning.

punisher5112

Correct but would suggest taking a copy or picture of all sides of vlc and also if possible bring envelope and address it the department Shannon what's on document and post off there and then also it's freepost so just write that on envelope.

Make sure a mechanic looks over the car. And do a check on it.

biko

Yes, seller sends logbook to Shannon during a private sale.

ironclaw

Bleating Lamb wrote: »

a car trader who sells from home.

That's massive alarm bells right here. Not wishing to tar all with the same brush, but if they are dealing from home, be sure to do your home work e.g. VAT / CRO registered, correct paperwork for a dealership. If it's just the log book from a previous owner that you are signing, I'd suggest even more digging. Lastly, have a mechanic pretty much take the car apart before you relinquish a cent.

Bleating Lamb

ironclaw wrote: »

That's massive alarm bells right here. Not wishing to tar all with the same brush, but if they are dealing from home, be sure to do your home work e.g. VAT / CRO registered, correct paperwork for a dealership. If it's just the log book from a previous owner that you are signing, I'd suggest even more digging. Lastly, have a mechanic pretty much take the car apart before you relinquish a cent.

Have seen the car already and had checked by a mechanic...will be getting an invoice when I hand over Bank Draft.

Del2005

Bleating Lamb wrote: »

Have seen the car already and had checked by a mechanic...will be getting an invoice when I hand over Bank Draft.

Have you done a history check?

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime

Do what i do when selling... go with the buyer to the post box and post there and then where you both can see.

Its what i would want done when buying , otherwise trader from home can be questionable.

Bleating Lamb

Man selling car has around ten cars at a time at house,buys them off main dealers,and sells them on for small profit I presume,as a matter of interest what's difference between a Joe Soap selling their own car on Done deal and someone like man I am buying off?...is there a certain limit before they gave to become tax registered?

Bleating Lamb

Del2005 wrote: »

Have you done a history check?

Yes all ok

Del2005

Bleating Lamb wrote: »

Man selling car has around ten cars at a time at house,buys them off main dealers,and sells them on for small profit I presume,as a matter of interest what's difference between a Joe Soap selling their own car on Done deal and someone like man I am buying off?...is there a certain limit before they gave to become tax registered?

Someone selling their own car you have very little comeback. Person selling cars for a living you theoretically have a lot of consumer protection. Some people selling multiple vehicles from home try to pretend that they are private sellers to try and avoid the sale of goods and supply of services act, it's not only people selling from home who try to ignore consumer law. There's also the chance that you are supporting the black economy, not that many people worry about that.

g6fdyotp5nj2l7

ironclaw wrote:

That's massive alarm bells right here. Not wishing to tar all with the same brush, but if they are dealing from home, be sure to do your home work e.g. VAT / CRO registered, correct paperwork for a dealership. If it's just the log book from a previous owner that you are signing, I'd suggest even more digging. Lastly, have a mechanic pretty much take the car apart before you relinquish a cent.

The seller's vat and company registration is of no concern to the buyer. If he's done a history check had it checked by a mechanic and is happy with the price that's all he can do.
As for the VLC the seller has nothing to gain by not sending it away and you don't even have to wait to receive it now to tax the car.
Good luck with the new car OP

ironclaw

Greysen Brave Typography wrote: »

The seller's vat and company registration is of no concern to the buyer.

True, but I'd rather support someone busting their chops and doing it the right way, then potentially someone wheeling, dealing and evading on the grey side. Everyone looses out in the latter. Also makes any comeback far smoother, as pointed out, you're afforded protection when dealing with a business as opposed to a private individual.

g6fdyotp5nj2l7

ironclaw wrote:

True, but I'd rather support someone busting their chops and doing it the right way, then potentially someone wheeling, dealing and evading on the grey side. Everyone looses out in the latter. Also makes any comeback far smoother, as pointed out, you're afforded protection when dealing with a business as opposed to a private individual.

If the car checks out and the price is right that's all the OP need concern himself with. The morals of the seller wouldn't bother me life's to short for that.
Ask for comebacks I know of people who bought new cars from main dealers who had plenty headaches when things went wrong.

Del2005

Greysen Brave Typography wrote: »

If the car checks out and the price is right that's all the OP need concern himself with. The morals of the seller wouldn't bother me life's to short for that.
Ask for comebacks I know of people who bought new cars from main dealers who had plenty headaches when things went wrong.

With a main dealer they are paying tax, insurance, rates and wages. If you put in the time and effort you will get any issue resolved, even operator induced, and if not you have a registered company that you can eventually get a result from.

With a person selling multiple vehicles outside their home they most likely aren't paying any tax, insurance or rates and no matter how much time or effort you put in the chances of getting any satisfactory result close to zero.

Not saying that all dealers are angels and everyone selling a few cars from home are cowboys, but people can't complain about a lack of public services when knowingly purchasing from a person who avoids taxes.

g6fdyotp5nj2l7

Any of that is not the concern of someone buying a car. There are way more problems in this country than a fella selling a few cars on the side. Not everyone can afford the luxury of main dealer prices

Triangle

Lads, I'm confused. Someone said the seller has nothing to gain from not posting the log book.

Surely if he doesn't post the log book then technically he Still owns the car!
It's not registered as transferred until it's posted!

While a buyer can do what with the registered book? Not post it, cause an accident or Rob a bank (all of which wouldn't be evidence the owner did it)

Also, if you sell to a dealer, do you keep the book?

Maybe I have the wrong end of the stick, but I always believed the buyer gets the signed book.

Brian

punisher5112

Triangle wrote: »

Lads, I'm confused. Someone said the seller has nothing to gain from not posting the log book.

Surely if he doesn't post the log book then technically he Still owns the car!
It's not registered as transferred until it's posted!

While a buyer can do what with the registered book? Not post it, cause an accident or Rob a bank (all of which wouldn't be evidence the owner did it)

Also, if you sell to a dealer, do you keep the book?

Maybe I have the wrong end of the stick, but I always believed the buyer gets the signed book.

Brian

Out believed wrong.

If selling to a motor dealer there is another sign over form but dealer must be given log book vlc

Only when buying you fill in and seller sends it.

Triangle

punisher5112 wrote: »

Out believed wrong.

If selling to a motor dealer there is another sign over form but dealer must be given log book vlc

Only when buying you fill in and seller sends it.

Ok, but why does seller send it? I'm not saying your wrong, but I'd like to understand the reason the seller sends it.

Cheers

g6fdyotp5nj2l7

Triangle wrote:

Ok, but why does seller send it? I'm not saying your wrong, but I'd like to understand the reason the seller sends it.

It's in the seller's interest to send log book away because if not the car remains in his name and any parking offences etc will go to his address.
Also there seems to be a general paranoia about car sellers on here I've bought dozens of cars both privately and from dealers and I never had any problems.
The problem is lads going off handing over money without doing any research on what they're buying or having it checked out and then when something goes wrong it's everyone else's fault.
I mean there's a thread here about someone buying a car that he only realised was a two litre when he got it home.
Cars by their nature will go wrong and if a problem shows up a few weeks or months after you get it, it doesn't necessarily mean the seller conned you.
Always research the make and model you're interested in, if you don't know about cars yourself get a mechanic to check it and do a history check.
Of course things can still go wrong but you will have done all you can