Getting booked by the guards for referring to officer as "constable" with an accent

FiannaSuccess

Please consider this hypothetical situation.

The guards pull me over for allegedly speeding, which did not occur. I say the following ," Constable, I assure you I was well within the limit".

Now, like most Irish people I watch a lot of British TV, and in UK programmes pertaining to police officers, I have noticed that the word "constable" is pronounced "cu ntstable".

The latter is how I opted to pronounce said word, and this resulted in the guard becoming irate and booking me on the spot. I am one hundred percent certain I wasn't speeding.

Is it hypothetically possible to challenge this?

schemingbohemia

Did s/he "book" you for speeding or for being disrespectful? Allegedly.

Little CuChulainn

If you call a garda a **** you will be likely to get done for anything they can do you for, even if you do try to hide your insult.

FiannaSuccess

schemingbohemia wrote: »

Did s/he "book" you for speeding or for being disrespectful? Allegedly.

I was informed I would be receiving a fine in the hypothetical post. The officer in question was very irate and intimidating so it was unclear.

Can one be fined for being disrespectful? Is 'constable ' an incorrect way of addressing a guard?

FiannaSuccess

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

If you call a garda a **** you will be likely to get done for anything they can do you for, even if you do try to hide your insult.

But how can they prove it?

lollsangel

Hypothetically the garda may have presumed you were being a smart arse and booked you for the play on the constable word.

tea and coffee

You can't be fined for being disrespectful in the circumstances you mention (but there is that offence), the fine would be for speeding, and no, Constable is not how a Guard is addressed- It's Guard, Sergeant, Inspector etc, but I think you know that ;-)

FiannaSuccess

lollsangel wrote: »

Hypothetically the garda may have presumed you were being a smart arse and booked you for the play on the constable word.

That is precisely what he did, but how on earth is legal to do this?

I was very subtle.

ohnonotgmail

FiannaSuccess wrote: »

I was informed I would be receiving a fine in the hypothetical post. The officer in question was very irate and intimidating so it was unclear.

Can one be fined for being disrespectful? Is 'constable ' an incorrect way of addressing a guard?

you know it is and were deliberately trying to be a smart-arse. how is that working out for you?

livedadream

FiannaSuccess wrote: »

Please consider this hypothetical situation.

The guards pull me over for allegedly speeding, which did not occur. I say the following ," Constable, I assure you I was well within the limit".

Now, like most Irish people I watch a lot of British TV, and in UK programmes pertaining to police officers, I have noticed that the word "constable" is pronounced "cu ntstable".

The latter is how I opted to pronounce said word, and this resulted in the guard becoming irate and booking me on the spot. I am one hundred percent certain I wasn't speeding.

Is it hypothetically possible to challenge this?

hypothetically you live in Ireland where we do not have Constables, which you know...

hypothetically they should have thrown you in the funny farm for being delusional and thinking you could get away with calling a guard a cnut and thinking you were smart enough to get away with it.

you can of course appeal anything but i would find the Judge would also not look favourably on the incident.

you were looking for trouble and you found it, congrats.

if you do appeal you call him 'judge' 'sir' or 'your honour' I can assure you the Judge would not be as accommodating as the guard who pulled you for 'allegedly' speeding.

lollsangel

FiannaSuccess wrote: »

That is precisely what he did, but how on earth is legal to do this?

I was very subtle.

So you mean to call him a c$@# then? I don't know but tbh I'm guessing he didn't pull you over for nothing.......

Little CuChulainn

FiannaSuccess wrote: »

But how can they prove it?

By giving evidence the same way they do for most traffic stops.

me_irl

For a "hypothetical situation", this is very detailed.

But I'd call BS on this as if you're Irish you'd know to say "guard" or "garda". Regardless of how it's pronounced on British TV.

Hypothetically saying constable and pronouncing it c*nt-stable, you know what you're doing and deserve the write up.

Sleeper12

FiannaSuccess wrote:

I was very subtle.

Maybe not as subtle as you thought obviously.

It's the same as saying to someone "see you next Tuesday" the intent is visible no matter how hard you try to hide it. The fact that we haven't had constables in Ireland in almost 100 years sort of gives the game away.

Cortina_MK_IV

Lessons in life... don't act the bollix with police in any country, they win.

ScouseMouse

Cortina_MK_IV wrote: »

Lessons in life... don't act the bollix with police in any country, they win.

Or, if you hypothetically burn your ass, don't complain if you have to sit on the blister.

Realt Dearg Sec

I love two things about this thread. The fact that you think you could be in the right, and the fact that you keep slipping out of the conditional tense. I would hope you appeal this vigorously, and I hope you tell in detail how the judge responds.

bladespin

FiannaSuccess wrote: »

But how can they prove it?

A garda's statement is evidence.

SteM

Jeez OP, that chip on your shoulder can be seen from space!

livedadream

to be fair does anyone actually believe this happened in real life though?

i accept there are people out there that are a few cents short or a euro but like to a guard?
i dunnoooooo very scooby doubious to me.

me_irl

livedadream wrote: »

to be fair does anyone actually believe this happened in real life though?

i accept there are people out there that are a few cents short or a euro but like to a guard?

i dunnoooooo very scooby doubious to me.

Yeah, lot of oddballs out there. Including those who don't feel like working.

The OP's points are meandering from "maybe this happened" to first hand accounts and ownership of it happening.

From hypothetical to admitting, "I was very subtle."

stoneill

See how far you get if you hypothetically said Guard to a police officer in the US.

livedadream

me_irl wrote: »

Yeah, lot of oddballs out there. Including those who don't feel like working.

The OP's points are meandering from "maybe this happened" to first hand accounts and ownership of it happening.

From hypothetical to admitting, "I was very subtle."

okay ive figured it out now,

he didnt get the SW payment so now wants a 2-3 month holiday in prison.

case closed me_irl... we make a good team :-)

SteM

livedadream wrote: »

to be fair does anyone actually believe this happened in real life though?

i accept there are people out there that are a few cents short or a euro but like to a guard?
i dunnoooooo very scooby doubious to me.

This is exactly the sort of **** my brother does. He's right about everything God forbid anyone pulls him up on anything. A year after the smoking ban came in he lit up in a pub. The barman told him to put it out but he just told the barman that he had a letter from his doctor saying he was allowed to smoke indoors because 'he had a medical condition and the smoke helped clear his lungs'. He told the same thing to a guard when they called after when he lit up fir a second time. Some people are just belligerent when it comes to any sort of authority.

In fact, the OP might be my brother! Vincent, is that you? Are you causing trouble again you little bollox?

FiannaSuccess

livedadream wrote: »

okay ive figured it out now,

he didnt get the SW payment so now wants a 2-3 month holiday in prison.

case closed me_irl... we make a good team :-)

It's not nice to mock someone without knowing their circumstances.

Anyway, I think the guard acted incorrectly and let that little bit of power go to his head.

It's not a crime to refer to an officer as constable, as far as I know.

mansize

I can haz free munies cunstable?

me_irl

FiannaSuccess wrote: »

It's not nice to mock someone without knowing their circumstances.

Anyway, I think the guard acted incorrectly and let that little bit of power go to his head.

It's not a crime to refer to an officer as constable, as far as I know.

I think you knew exactly what you did and you're not taking responsibility for your actions.

Hypothetically, how were you driving? Where were you driving? Were you actually speeding? If you weren't, how do you know you weren't?

But please, do contest this and be sure to post back how you got on.

endacl

FiannaSuccess wrote: »

I was informed I would be receiving a fine in the hypothetical post. The officer in question was very irate and intimidating so it was unclear.

Can one be fined for being disrespectful? Is 'constable ' an incorrect way of addressing a guard?

Hypothetically, I approve of this scenario, and hope you might learn a lesson. Should this exchange have taken place.

livedadream

FiannaSuccess wrote: »

It's not nice to mock someone without knowing their circumstances.

not its not, i agree, its also not nice to call a Guard a cnut or imply the same, when they are just doing their job...

Hypothetically speaking of course.

FiannaSuccess wrote: »

Anyway, I think the guard acted incorrectly and let that little bit of power go to his head.

you're entitled of course to your opinion. if you felt like that you should have asked for his badge number and reported him.

FiannaSuccess wrote: »

It's not a crime to refer to an officer as constable, as far as I know.

Hypothetically speaking you mean?

njs030

Just for reference Op constable is pronounced cun-staable. The first t is almost silent.

FiannaSuccess

livedadream wrote: »

not its not, i agree, its also not nice to call a Guard a cnut or imply the same, when they are just doing their job...

Hypothetically speaking of course.



you're entitled of course to your opinion. if you felt like that you should have asked for his badge number and reported him.



Hypothetically speaking you mean?

Hypothetically speaking, I happen to believe that all guards are interfering little cnuts. I thought most people held this view?

me_irl

FiannaSuccess wrote: »

Hypothetically speaking, I happen to believe that all guards are interfering little cnuts. I thought most people held this view?

Aaaaaaah, the penny drops.

Also, I'm starting to doubt your use of the word "hypothetically".

Little CuChulainn

FiannaSuccess wrote: »

Hypothetically speaking, I happen to believe that all guards are interfering little cnuts. I thought most people held this view?

Hypothetically speaking, I'd say someone who starts the two threads you have is simply trolling. Go out and get some sun.

livedadream

FiannaSuccess wrote: »

Hypothetically speaking, I happen to believe that all guards are interfering little cnuts. I thought most people held this view?

Hypothetically speaking, you are a troll.

peace out folks.

endacl

FiannaSuccess wrote: »

Hypothetically speaking, I happen to believe that all guards are interfering little cnuts. I thought most people held this view?

Hypothetically, if I were to offer the opinion that you come across as a bit of a tool, would I expect to receive an infraction from a mod on this forum?

Absolutely hypothetically, of course...

FiannaSuccess

I don't think it's outlandish to state that most people hold a negative view of the police force in this country?

I refuse to be bullied by those pr1cks anyway. By all means you lot can bow down to them.

Good luck.

endacl

FiannaSuccess wrote: »

I don't think it's outlandish to state that most people hold a negative view of the police force in this country?

I refuse to be bullied by those pr1cks anyway. By all means you lot can bow down to them.

Good luck.

I refer you to my previous.

mansize

I have never had any issue with Gardai

SteM

FiannaSuccess wrote: »

I don't think it's outlandish to state that most people hold a negative view of the police force in this country?

I refuse to be bullied by those pr1cks anyway. By all means you lot can bow down to them.

Good luck.

Bow down to them? You catch more flies with honey than vinegar and you're the one with the fine OP.

FiannaSuccess

SteM wrote: »

Bow down to them? You catch more flies with honey than vinegar and you're the one with the fine OP.

You actually think I'm going to pay it?

You're a hypothetical numpty if you do.

me_irl

mansize wrote: »

I have never had any issue with Gardai

I did, once. But I was in the wrong (speeding... I've learned my lesson!).

But I found the guard very professional. There was no disrespect either way and I didn't have to childishly resort to masking the word c*nt in my dialogue.

endacl

FiannaSuccess wrote: »

You actually think I'm going to pay it?

You're a hypothetical numpty if you do.

The fine that you only hypothetically received? I don't mind stupid, but could you at least aim for consistency?

Robbo

I'm struggling to believe that the OP has a purely hypothetical situation in mind here so the thread violates the charter.

The "H'attitude test" might assist them in their further research.

Thread closed.