Planning Application for Driveway

JT86

Hi, I have bought a house recently with no off street parking. The house is in Crumlin. I have been told that I need planning permissiom to make a driveway and and dish the kerb.

Is there anybody who you would recommend to submit the planning? Or could I do this myself?

Gumbo

JT86 wrote: »

Hi, I have bought a house recently with no off street parking. The house is in Crumlin. I have been told that I need planning permissiom to make a driveway and and dish the kerb.

Is there anybody who you would recommend to submit the planning? Or could I do this myself?

You can do it yourself if you know how.
Prepare the drawings, sections and elevations to scale, piece together the relevant documents, maps, newspaper notices etc and then lodge.

You obviously run the risk of making a mess of it, but that's the chances you take by doing it yourself, and if the drawings are not to DOE standard or you make a mistake with the wording, or dates, then the whole application is invalidated and you start again, new advertisement etc etc

Also, once you obtain planning permission, that is when you contact the roads dept to dish the kerb. They require a grant of permission, some small amount of details and the appropriate fee, usually around €600 depending on the amount of work and concrete required.

Dardania

I'm going it solo on the application for a driveway myself at the moment - exactly as kceire says (down to making a few errors on first application)

What I found helpful was to look online at the neighbours applications that had done it already to get a feel for how they did it. A neighbour up the road did their application sketched by hand, and got it!
They like to see SUDS details.
And also have a think about swing of car doors, and where the bins will pass...

Gumbo

Dardania wrote: »

I'm going it solo on the application for a driveway myself at the moment - exactly as kceire says (down to making a few errors on first application)

What I found helpful was to look online at the neighbours applications that had done it already to get a feel for how they did it. A neighbour up the road did their application sketched by hand, and got it!
They like to see SUDS details.
And also have a think about swing of car doors, and where the bins will pass...

All bearing in mind that the 6 copies of each drawing has to scale correctly. Making one mistake could cost you more than getting someone in to do it in the first place, so double check before you lodge.

SUDS deffo recommended and the drainage guys like to see permeable paving and areas of natural soaks be if possible.

All depends on your existing layout and space etc

chippers

Definitely possible to do it yourself but if you are unfamiliar with the planning process / requirements you may find it difficult.

The newspaper ad should be one of the last things you do ( published on the day you lodge application). That way if you are invalidated you still have time to resubmit with the same advert. As long as you are not invalidated on the advert that is e.g devt description.

Some Local Authority set a time during the week when they will validate there and then. May be worth looking into.

Gumbo

chippers wrote: »

Some Local Authority set a time during the week when they will validate there and then. May be worth looking into.

Dublin don't unfortunately. So the OP can rule that out straight away

chippers

kceire wrote: »

Dublin don't unfortunately. So the OP can rule that out straight away

Yeah its not across all Councils. Suprising DCC dont, they're one on the more 'customer friendly' planning departments. Im pretty sure SDCC do and DLR as well

Gumbo

chippers wrote: »

Yeah its not across all Councils. Suprising DCC dont, they're one on the more 'customer friendly' planning departments. Im pretty sure SDCC do and DLR as well

In fairness to DCC they are OK to deal with but they don't offer anything like this, nor do they offer the pre-planning workshops that other LA's do.

It's a shame as its one way to make the council more approachable too.

Dardania

chippers wrote: »

The newspaper ad should be one of the last things you do ( published on the day you lodge application). That way if you are invalidated you still have time to resubmit with the same advert. As long as you are not invalidated on the advert that is e.g devt description.

Wish I had the sense to do this first time around - have just paid for a second newspaper ad on my own application.

DLRCC have posted back my drawings etc. - am I okay to use those again for the application I will resubmit as soon as the new newspaper ad is live? Or is there some obscure reg that the drawings must be dated the same as the application, and not before etc...

Gumbo

Dardania wrote: »

Wish I had the sense to do this first time around - have just paid for a second newspaper ad on my own application.

DLRCC have posted back my drawings etc. - am I okay to use those again for the application I will resubmit as soon as the new newspaper ad is live? Or is there some obscure reg that the drawings must be dated the same as the application, and not before etc...

They should be fine. Just make sure you have the correct amount of copies and they are not damaged. Also check that they have not stamped them with the old plan ref number that was invalidated as they can't contain that. Also double check your site notice is in date now too as you most likely will have to re-date that too.

Site notice and newspaper notice should be dated for the same day.

Dardania

kceire wrote: »

Dardania wrote: »

Wish I had the sense to do this first time around - have just paid for a second newspaper ad on my own application.

DLRCC have posted back my drawings etc. - am I okay to use those again for the application I will resubmit as soon as the new newspaper ad is live? Or is there some obscure reg that the drawings must be dated the same as the application, and not before etc...

They should be fine. Just make sure you have the correct amount of copies and they are not damaged. Also check that they have not stamped them with the old plan ref number that was invalidated as they can't contain that. Also double check your site notice is in date now too as you most likely will have to re-date that too.

Site notice and newspaper notice should be dated for the same day.

Splendid!

Gumbo

Dardania wrote: »

Splendid!

What was the reason for invalidation?

Dardania

Sloppiness on my behalf to be fair

- I didn't indicate where the site notice was on the OS map (did show it on the drawings I did)
- Missed a signature buried in the application
- Didn't do elevations (I thought sections would be more relevant, but no, they wanted elevations)
- Showed the driveway wider than 3.5m (although I thought I had a solution shown to that, by showing a step to define the 3.5m width - I have now rectified to shown a proper bollard)

Gumbo

Dardania wrote: »

Sloppiness on my behalf to be fair

- I didn't indicate where the site notice was on the OS map (did show it on the drawings I did)
- Missed a signature buried in the application
- Didn't do elevations (I thought sections would be more relevant, but no, they wanted elevations)
- Showed the driveway wider than 3.5m (although I thought I had a solution shown to that, by showing a step to define the 3.5m width - I have now rectified to shown a proper bollard)

Not too serious then.
All of these things are normal bread and butter items for driveway applications but fair play for taking it on yourself.

It's the same requirements for Dublin city as all the LA's work from the same Dept. Of Environ drawing standards.

Elevations are mandatory with particular emphasis on the treatment of the boundary wall as opposed to the housing terrace.

3.5m is standard for DLRR, DCC is 3.6m.

I'd say everything else could have been rectified at the counter and sorted out with a phone call to come in and fix but once the elevation was missing then they had to send it back to you.

Dardania

kceire wrote: »

Dardania wrote: »

Sloppiness on my behalf to be fair

- I didn't indicate where the site notice was on the OS map (did show it on the drawings I did)
- Missed a signature buried in the application
- Didn't do elevations (I thought sections would be more relevant, but no, they wanted elevations)
- Showed the driveway wider than 3.5m (although I thought I had a solution shown to that, by showing a step to define the 3.5m width - I have now rectified to shown a proper bollard)

Not too serious then.
All of these things are normal bread and butter items for driveway applications but fair play for taking it on yourself.

It's the same requirements for Dublin city as all the LA's work from the same Dept. Of Environ drawing standards.

Elevations are mandatory with particular emphasis on the treatment of the boundary wall as opposed to the housing terrace.

3.5m is standard for DLRR, DCC is 3.6m.

I'd say everything else could have been rectified at the counter and sorted out with a phone call to come in and fix but once the elevation was missing then they had to send it back to you.

I was upset when they sent it back to me, but to be fair, their standard is a good standard to be held to, and I'm glad we as citizens have the system to check people's building intentions, and compliance with regs etc.

It helped that I had some (poor) draughting ability from working as a consulting engineer in the past - that I'd say is one of the biggest barriers for people, in order to visually communicate their intentions.

How are you getting on OP - figure out a course yet?

JT86

Dardania wrote: »

I was upset when they sent it back to me, but to be fair, their standard is a good standard to be held to, and I'm glad we as citizens have the system to check people's building intentions, and compliance with regs etc.

It helped that I had some (poor) draughting ability from working as a consulting engineer in the past - that I'd say is one of the biggest barriers for people, in order to visually communicate their intentions.

How are you getting on OP - figure out a course yet?

Finding out its more complex and expensive than we thought it would have been. And looking into our best option still. Thanks for all the advice.

JT86

It took a while but we managed to do it by ourselves in the end. It is doable.

Gumbo

JT86 wrote: »

It took a while but we managed to do it by ourselves in the end. It is doable.

Well done.
Was it granted?

Dardania

JT86 wrote: »

It took a while but we managed to do it by ourselves in the end. It is doable.

Well done - great sense of achievement!

Mine was given permission in the last few weeks (third time lucky!) - now just to do the physical work!