Advice on reseeding

50HX

Have 10 acres to reseed and am looking for opinions/advice on it

Old grass with a scattering of docks and covered in buttercups this year

Have soil samples done already this year on it

Hoping to take silage this week from it

Then, spray in a week or 2 after silage,
plough, lime, fertilize and then dress it and seed it

anyone doing things differently

dunlopwellies

The last two years we have done 2 fields. Spray roundup 7 days prior to cutting the silage and then direct drill/ stich the seed in as soon as possible after taking the silage.
Manure, and roll then.

Last year put in fodder rape along with seed and both come together rape grows about 3 times then it's gone.

Very happy with the results. Job done in hours rather than weeks and no stones to pick.

50HX

do you not need to graze intensively every 2-3weeks with stiching pr is that only of it hasn't been burned off

Clint power 30

Notice lot of buttercups about this year. Seeded ground last round this time of year got lot of weeds and docks come in new ground. This time of year lot of weeds come with new grass. Other ground I seeded later in year sept /Oct is very clean no weeds

dunlopwellies

50HX wrote: »

do you not need to graze intensively every 2-3weeks with stiching pr is that only of it hasn't been burned off

I would say stiching without burning off is a waste of time. Missed a few bits with the spray and the old grass grew up there stock wouldn't touch it compared with the receded grass. You could see the different stripes for about a year after.

Carrigogunnell

dunlopwellies wrote: »

The last two years we have done 2 fields. Spray roundup 7 days prior to cutting the silage and then direct drill/ stich the seed in as soon as possible after taking the silage.
Manure, and roll then.

Last year put in fodder rape along with seed and both come together rape grows about 3 times then it's gone.

Very happy with the results. Job done in hours rather than weeks and no stones to pick.

With the growing at the moment I think 7 days is to much I would say more like 4 you will know by looking at it.
I would spray cut and then you have a lovely clean field.either disc or plough or just power harrow twice 2 bags of gran lime and 3 bags of 10 10 20 at sowing to get help the new grass to get established

Bass Reeves

On old pasture you will need to leave it longer than two weeks after silage to spray. With present weather I leave it until aftergrass is established and weeds are all back 4-5 weeks and longer if this dry spell persists. Spray then with roundup 2.5L/acre. Let cattle in after 4-5 days when tip of leaves start to go purple. I would consider discing however if you graze bare you can direct drill however make sure to use slug pellets. Granlime at 2 bags/acre, roll and either 3 bags 10.10.20 or 2K gallons of slurry.

larthehar

Bass Reeves wrote: »

On old pasture you will need to leave it longer than two weeks after silage to spray. With present weather I leave it until aftergrass is established and weeds are all back 4-5 weeks and longer if this dry spell persists. Spray then with roundup 2.5L/acre. Let cattle in after 4-5 days when tip of leaves start to go purple. I would consider discing however if you graze bare you can direct drill however make sure to use slug pellets. Granlime at 2 bags/acre, roll and either 3 bags 10.10.20 or 2K gallons of slurry.

+1
Only thing I would add is apply granlime the same time you are spraying.. Will help break down the sod for discing. Sheep would clean better than cattle if you had them. Critical to have it bare. Needs rain after sowing.

Milked out

Ye have all mentioned gran lime, would ground limestone be better or is it just as ye are mentioning it with dd

Bass Reeves

Milked out wrote: »

Ye have all mentioned gran lime, would ground limestone be better or is it just as ye are mentioning it with dd

When you direct drill or disc the scraw is left on top of the ground as this decays it acidifies the ground. grass needs a ph of to as near to 7 as possible at germination. Granlime provides this. If you ground ph is ok you will get away with a bag to the acre. If ploughing it is not as much of an issue either but again as scraw is buried however I would still uses 30-50kgs/acre of granlime.

Milked out

Normally here dung and/or slurry then plough and till and spread ground lime and fert just before seed is set, contractor uses a one pass to set seed.

davidk1394

Swedes are used as a break crop here for the fields. Just set 10 acres of grass in fields that were set with swedes last year. Gave it 2 runs of a grubber then one passed in the grass seed and rolled it

locha

Ploughed 20 acres last year. Turned out to be a great job. Stones broke my bloody heart. This year I have burned off another 20. Plan was to just give two runs of the disk and then get a contractor in to power harrow. Different Contractor stopped by the yard this morning. He has a stitching machine. Cuts a slot and drops the seed in. Anyone try this method before? Just to recap, I have the grass already burned.

Bass Reeves

locha wrote: »

Ploughed 20 acres last year. Turned out to be a great job. Stones broke my bloody heart. This year I have burned off another 20. Plan was to just give two runs of the disk and then get a contractor in to power harrow. Different Contractor stopped by the yard this morning. He has a stitching machine. Cuts a slot and drops the seed in. Anyone try this method before? Just to recap, I have the grass already burned.

See my post above treat the same as discing but you have to apply slug pellets did it 3 years ago with a red clover hybrid mix worked a treat will have to stitch hybrid back into this again this autumn. Ploughing and picking stone is a balls too much time too many jobs. When I disc I use a framed chain harrow to level I used to grow whole crop this way disc ( lad had one of the spring loaded lemekens serious weapon) apply peas and barley with wahtail, give a few runs of the chain harrow, grass seed roll roll and roll again. Put fertlizer and lime on before you roll. Ontly thing about these metods is you really need acces to a banger to keep crows away from pulling up the scraws looking for leatherjackets and slugs

50HX

Bass Reeves wrote: »

When you direct drill or disc the scraw is left on top of the ground as this decays it acidifies the ground. grass needs a ph of to as near to 7 as possible at germination. Granlime provides this. If you ground ph is ok you will get away with a bag to the acre. If ploughing it is not as much of an issue either but again as scraw is buried however I would still uses 30-50kgs/acre of granlime.

that makes sense, i was going to spread ground lime but i think i'll be going 2 bags/acre of gran lime as the ph is 5.3

cheers

50HX

where do ye source seeds from, i'm looking to use this land for silage only going forward

whelan2

50HX wrote: »

where do ye source seeds from, i'm looking to use this land for silage only going forward

Normally glanbia here or goldcrop. Have 17 acres sprayed off here

locha

Lime, got spread this morning, was supposed to be dumped in field but communication mix up. From what I gather that knocks out the stitching option as lime does not go well with the seed in the stitched hole especially during this dry weather. Going to go with plan A and disk twice and power harrow. 10.10.20 and roll.

whelan2

Put in 17 acres grass seed yesterday. Will roll it today

kowtow

whelan2 wrote: »

Put in 17 acres grass seed yesterday. Will roll it today

I take it you have had some rain up there?

Dry as a bone here, I think whatever seed the birds left in the paddock we did 3 weeks ago has fallen down the cracks...

whelan2

kowtow wrote: »

I take it you have had some rain up there?

Dry as a bone here, I think whatever seed the birds left in the paddock we did 3 weeks ago has fallen down the cracks...

very heavy fog last night.

Grecco

whelan2 wrote: »

very heavy fog last night.

Fog means more Heat and dry weather on the way. Whatever bit of drizzle we get this weekend is all the rain we will get. Could see high 20s by the end of next week

whelan2

Looking like a nice bit of rain here over the weekend. According to the journal