New wheels advice

dahat

I have chosen a new bike to get soom, Giant TCR Advanced 1
[url] http://www.giant-dublin.ie/en-ie/bikes/model/tcr.advanced.1/25077/90674/[/url]
Appeal of LBS swayed me from other brands, being able to drop bike to a shop for adjustment is a big plus for me.

I'm now choosing a new set of wheels which I'm looking to get for this bike rather than my current ride.

I'm quite heavy at 106kgs and pushing quite a bit of power as i do like to drive on a bit. Willing to spend up to €1k for a fast and durable set which won't break spokes on a regular basis.

Shimano Dura Ace C24
Ksyrium Pro Sl
Fulcrum Zero
Ksyrium Elite
Shimano Ultegra
Shimano RS81 C50
Or a custom build, recommendations? Cost?

I'm pretty confused and nowhere near making my mind, not in a mad panic but would like to settle on a choice..

Any help or tips? Boards has helped me alot on previous threads i opened.

dahat

Weepsie wrote: »

I'll say it before others do. Zondas!

Edit. Just realised you've higher rated/specced wheels eel there. I'm no use now

Zondas were under consideration alright and could be added to the list.

I'd like to get some user feedback if possible with rider weight a factor as well.

iwillhtfu

FYI I'd remove the B2W bit before you get a slap on the wrists. Fraud is a no no :eek:

love the look of these wheels.

I

http://www.bike-discount.de/en/buy/fulcrum-racing-zero-nite-hg-8-9-10-11-speed-wheelset-220616/wg_id-511

If you can push the budget a bit.

These a quality wheeels.

dahat

Budget is rock solid at 1k unless i reduce bike which aint an option.

What Mavics are they? Cant make em out on mobile.

Do all Fulcrums have their own special brake pads?

iwillhtfu

dahat wrote: »

Budget is rock solid at 1k unless i reduce bike which aint an option.

What Mavics are they? Cant make em out on mobile.

Do all Fulcrums have their own special brake pads?

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/mavic-r-sys-slr-clincher-wheelset-1/

Mavic R-SYS SLR Clincher Wheelset

I think these particular wheels have a newer breaking surface I'm not sure if they require a specific pad. Standard aluminium rims would use a standard break pad and carbon wheels would use carbon specific pads.

dahat

Those Mavics arw pricey when you go the LBS route though the link has them quite a bit cheaper but slightly out of range. Pity.

mathie

Are these any good?

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/ie/en/techlite-road-carbon-tubular-wheelset/rp-prod78158

Eamonnator

mathie wrote: »

Are these any good?

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/ie/en/techlite-road-carbon-tubular-wheelset/rp-prod78158

mightn't suit, they're tubulars.

dahat

Eamonnator wrote: »

mightn't suit, they're tubulars.

I'm an old fashioned tyre and tube guy, only new to the sport.

Daroxtar

Saw this posted elsewhere

1: Stock wheels are awful.
2: Zondas are "bombproof".
3: Fulcrum 5's are the best wheels under £200.
4: Carbon clinchers are death traps.
5: Narrow rims will need higher pressure which will shatter your spine.
6: Everyone's current wheels "roll well".
7: Lighter wheels will make you climb at least 4mph faster.
8: You "must" stretch your budget for the next level up.
9: You must stretch your budget a little more for Hand built Archetypes on Novatec hubs.
10: If you weigh more than 80kg you cannot even consider a factory wheelset.
11: If you weigh more than 90kg you must have 32 spokes, 36 is better.
12: Don't even think of asking for advice on deep section rims without showing your cat 1 licence.
13: Superstar wheels are poorly tensioned and will pringle as the tyre goes on.
14: Aero wheels are way faster than light wheels.

uck51js9zml2yt

Daroxtar wrote: »

Saw this posted elsewhere

1: Stock wheels are awful.
2: Zondas are "bombproof".
3: Fulcrum 5's are the best wheels under £200.
4: Carbon clinchers are death traps.
5: Narrow rims will need higher pressure which will shatter your spine.
6: Everyone's current wheels "roll well".
7: Lighter wheels will make you climb at least 4mph faster.
8: You "must" stretch your budget for the next level up.
9: You must stretch your budget a little more for Hand built Archetypes on Novatec hubs.
10: If you weigh more than 80kg you cannot even consider a factory wheelset.
11: If you weigh more than 90kg you must have 32 spokes, 36 is better.
12: Don't even think of asking for advice on deep section rims without showing your cat 1 licence.
13: Superstar wheels are poorly tensioned and will pringle as the tyre goes on.
14: Aero wheels are way faster than light wheels.

You forgot that go faster stripes on the wheels will make it go faster

Lumen

I don't know anyone that dislikes Shimano wheels, other than if they clash with de compog.

The only downside of things like the Dura Ace C24 is that the rims are so expensive it's not really economical to rebuild them, so they're essentially disposable, but that's an issue with most low spoke count factory wheels.

vertigo1976

As a rider who hovers around 100kg also and who has been through a number of wheel set options, here are my thoughts on the ones that I've ridden.

Factory wheels:

Dura Ace C24's: I've had a set of RS81 C24 so quite similar, fast, light, easy to service, not very stiff.

I've a set of Dura Ace C35's at the moment which have fabulous hubs and are a bit stiffer. Definitely a "sunday best' wheel for me and not an every day wheel.

RS81 C50: Reasonably stiff, pretty heavy but have the deep section look.

I've had Mavic aksiums and have ridden ksyriums, grand, but not very inspiring. Expensive for parts if you need a spoke replaced for example.

Hand built (I've built some of these wheels myself)

Mavic open pro on ultegra hubs, 32 hole - good all-rounder, reasonably stiff, middle of the road weight wise but overtaken by more modern wider rims.

H Plus Sons Archetype on Ultegra hubs 32 hole - lovely wheel set, nice and stiff, roll well, easy to maintain and nice wide rim which is lovely for 25mm tyres. Not the lightest combination due to hub weight but a great all rounder. Hubs are good value if you're on a budget but a little heavy.

DT Swiss R440 on DT Swiss 240s hubs, 24/28hole- love this wheel set. awesome hubs, easy to service and require little maintenance. good balance of weight/stiffness and tubeless compatible. Asymmetric rear rim is a nice feature.

DT Swiss R460 on Novatec 171/172 32 hole - Nice wide rim on a budget set of hubs, not great sealing on the hubs but really easy to change bearings. Rim is great value for money.

If I had a blank canvas and your budget, my choice would be hand built every day.

I'd start with H Plus sons Archetype rims. They are easy to build, good weight at 460g, nice thick spoke nipple bed so they can handle the required tension which adds to longevity. They are also nice and wide so a 25mm tyre sits beautifully on it which improves handling.

Hub wise I'd consider DT Swiss 240s or Dura Ace. Dura Ace are sublime and with some maintenance will last for years & years. The DTs are a good weight, bullet proof and will live forever with even less maintenance. If the budget allows, you could look at Chris King hubs. I haven't used them but have only heard good things about them.

Spoke wise, I'd go for 28-32 hole front and rear, 3 cross. Sapim CX ray front and non-drive side rear and Sapim laser on the drive side. If the budget doesn't allow for CX ray then lasers all round would work too.

The only caveat I would add, is the quality of hand builts come down to the skill of the builder. Some research on this front will pay dividends in the long run.

Hope this offers food for thought.

Edit, meant to say Sapim Race for drive side rear, if you're putting the power down you'll be glad of them!

dahat

Brilliant post and exaxtly what i was after, looks like hand built could be the way forward.

I did have use of a RS81 C50 and i did like them tbh even though they come in quite heavy.

Brian?

Under budget and absolutely bomb proof:

https://www.merlincycles.com/mavic-cosmic-pro-carbon-road-wheelset-2016-84416.html

cython

Brian? wrote: »

Under budget and absolutely bomb proof:

https://www.merlincycles.com/mavic-cosmic-pro-carbon-road-wheelset-2016-84416.html

Much better value on those wheels from Germany at the moment: http://www.bike-discount.de/en/bike-parts/l-24/o-relevance?q=mavic%20cosmic

dahat

Brian? wrote: »

Under budget and absolutely bomb proof:

https://www.merlincycles.com/mavic-cosmic-pro-carbon-road-wheelset-2016-84416.html

Oh those are sexy wheels.... Bombproof you say?

shamrock2004

dahat wrote: »

I have chosen a new bike to get soom, Giant TCR Advanced 1
[url] http://www.giant-dublin.ie/en-ie/bikes/model/tcr.advanced.1/25077/90674/[/url]
Appeal of LBS swayed me from other brands, being able to drop bike to a shop for adjustment is a big plus for me.

I'm now choosing a new set of wheels which I'm looking to get for this bike rather than my current ride.

I'm quite heavy at 106kgs and pushing quite a bit of power as i do like to drive on a bit. Willing to spend up to €1k for a fast and durable set which won't break spokes on a regular basis.

Shimano Dura Ace C24
Ksyrium Pro Sl
Fulcrum Zero
Ksyrium Elite
Shimano Ultegra
Shimano RS81 C50
Or a custom build, recommendations? Cost?

I'm pretty confused and nowhere near making my mind, not in a mad panic but would like to settle on a choice..

Any help or tips? Boards has helped me alot on previous threads i opened.

Your post is the exact same conundrum I faced 1.5 weeks ago when I bought a brand new Giant TCR Advanced 1 (have done 513 km on it amd it's a joy to cycle).

See my post here: http://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057599347/1/#post99769746

I was advised to stay on the stock wheels for a while but I knew the stock wheels were ****e (on the TCR 1 they are not DT Swiss wheels...). I didnt go for the TCR Advanced Pro 1 as I would be paying extra for a carbon oversteer and the carbon wheels. And since I knew I wanted my own wheels, I went with the TCR Advanced 1 and then bought a brand new set of Campagnolo Shamal Ultra clincher wheels. They are bulletproof, extremely smooth and very fast. I love them and I paid €1000 for them, which was my budget (same as yours). Bought them in a LBS which is an agent for Campagnolo so any issues and they will be fixed.

You can buy them for €853 on wiggle, http://www.wiggle.co.uk/campagnolo-shamal-ultra-mega-g3-clincher-wheelset/

By the way, I'm a big guy too - 6'2" and 98kg. Pic of the bike is attached.

Also bare in mind the type of cyclist you are. I do a lot of climbing and am fast on the straight anyway so didn't feel pushed to go for a carbon wheelset.

PS you're gonna love the TCR

Agent Smyth

Just an idea, what about putting the €1000 towards the TCR adv pro 1, better frame and wheels
you should be able to get a 10% discount off rrp which would bring you very close to what your spending

dahat

Agent Smyth wrote: »

Just an idea, what about putting the €1000 towards the TCR adv pro 1, better frame and wheels
you should be able to get a 10% discount off rrp which would bring you very close to what your spending

Maybe but isn't that a total race geometry which I'm not keen on tbh.

Advanced 1 has Ultegra and 50/34 but €2500 model Pro has only 105 which i have on my current bike. Not keen on dropping €3300 on a bike alone tbh for the higher model again.

Agent Smyth

dahat wrote: »

Maybe but isn't that a total race geometry which I'm not keen on tbh.

As far as I'm aware its the same geometry across the TCR range just better carbon, the Defy range has the relaxed geometry

your dropping 2099 on the bike and a further 1000 on the wheels which is close to the advanced pro 1

iwillhtfu

If I were you I'd be looking fir a 2015 tcr advanced 1 much nicer looking frame and with ultegra. It could probably be found for €1500 or so.

I'm not sure about this years model but last years tcr advanced and pro had the same frame.

dahat

iwillhtfu wrote: »

If I were you I'd be looking fir a 2015 tcr advanced 1 much nicer looking frame and with ultegra. It could probably be found for €1500 or so.

I'm not sure about this years model but last years tcr advanced and pro had the same frame.

Oh, much bettet price as well but shops stocking that will be hard to find but well worth looking for.

iwillhtfu

For some reason I always seem to find them in agriculture stores or gardening suppliers.

Here's an oil company one

http://www.mcldirect.com/BIKE-GTCRADV115-p/bike_gtcradv115.htm

shamrock2004

Agent Smyth wrote: »

As far as I'm aware its the same geometry across the TCR range just better carbon, the Defy range has the relaxed geometry

your dropping 2099 on the bike and a further 1000 on the wheels which is close to the advanced pro 1

Yeh but youre not paying for the expensive stock wheels which you might not want!!!

shamrock2004

dahat wrote: »

Maybe but isn't that a total race geometry which I'm not keen on tbh.

Advanced 1 has Ultegra and 50/34 but €2500 model Pro has only 105 which i have on my current bike. Not keen on dropping €3300 on a bike alone tbh for the higher model again.

Advanced pro 1 does not have the 105s.

iwillhtfu

shamrock2004 wrote: »

Advanced pro 1 does not have the 105s.

He didn't say it did.

FYP

"Advanced 1 has Ultegra and 50/34 but the €2500 model Pro has only 105"