The Tv show without books guidelines

shane9689

Has anyone else noticed a clear decline in emersion by GOT since the complete departing from the books.... Before when they took book material, the show seemed more immersive and serious but now its filled with cheap one liners and dialogue that just feels out of place. I mean the actors are great, they proved that already, as are the settings etc....just the writting seems to have taken a complete decline, and it seems its because they dont have GRR's dialog anymore... I dont mind them changing the story abit, but seems like a different creature than it once was, no? remember how dark it was when ned was getting decapitated and rob was being stabbed to death....that darkness seems to have slipped from the show abit....now we just get a knight with bad skin acne

jebidiah

yup. Dont know about not having GRRMS dialogue to go off, but the over all quality of script writing has taken a nose dive.

Dick jokes and one liners.

It's really surprising considering GOT is one of HBO's most popular shows. I wonder if the top brass really take it so seriously?
Still only 10 episodes per season, despite it crying out for more. Actors and scenes changed all the time because of budget cuts, terrible writing at times, woeful directing on occasion too.

It seems like it isnt being taken seriously Sorry, slightly OT

Thargor

Just feels like a box ticking exercise now with the bare minimum of effort going into dialouge/acting. Exactly like every time they deviated from the books in previous seasons.

amos13

Yeah the dialogue has taken a nose dive. The actors and storyline themselves are still excellent but the execution is really bad. That said I'm totally immersed this season. One thing that has annoyed me a wee bit is the lack of change in Tyrions character.

in the books, everything that happened to him in kings landing, the vale, and on the road to mereen, turned him into a complete bitter depressive who trusted nobody and hated everyone. In the series all these events have had seemingly no effect on him

Sleepy

It's been declining in quality since the start of Season 5. I still love the show but I'm already hugely invested in the wider world of ASOIAF. The Dorne scenes aside, I can forgive most of the mistakes because I just revel in seeing this world brought to the screen.

I think the show would be better were GRRM actively involved in a producer / head writer role (and he seemed to be far more involved in earlier seasons) but given the difficulty he's having with the novels, I'm happier with him focusing his efforts on those, as amazing as the show can be at times, the books will always trump them for me.

Fromvert

There definitely has been a drop off in quality but I can't think of any TV shows that got better or stayed at their previous high levels as they went along, even shows that are seen as good/great like The Wire, The Sopranos, Breaking Bad dropped off after the first few series.

shane9689

I dont think Breaking bad dropped off as much as it developed, i think that was the direction the director wanted...however in this case, its not the storyline or anything, its the comical style of the show is starting to carry. I mean, i enjoyed the humorous part with the actors on stage, but the reallly really really obvious and cringe worthy one liners, such as the "close the gates" part, or the "punch me next time i have an idea like this"...those lines are completely out of character and obviously meant for the audience which thus breaks the immersion....any jokes that arise would be within the context of the world their living in...... also, the scene with the map, where they try to make t as obvious as possible where everything is... i feel like theyre starting to try appease a broader audiance that has started to watch the show, so all the dumb people can think theyre following it. For something like GOT, its completely opposite of what the whole thing stood for in the first place! GRRM wrote it to get away from ****ty screenplay writting for broad dumb audiances
anyways rant over, i just wish GRRM was still involved

J. Marston

amos13 wrote: »

Yeah the dialogue has taken a nose dive. The actors and storyline themselves are still excellent but the execution is really bad. That said I'm totally immersed this season. One thing that has annoyed me a wee bit is the lack of change in Tyrions character.

in the books, everything that happened to him in kings landing, the vale, and on the road to mereen, turned him into a complete bitter depressive who trusted nobody and hated everyone. In the series all these events have had seemingly no effect on him

Personally, I'm a bit glad Tyrion is different than the books right now. While the books may be a realistic portrayal of what Tyrion is going through, a season or two of him asking "Where do whores go?" in the show isn't feasible.

shane9689 wrote: »

I dont think Breaking bad dropped off as much as it developed, i think that was the direction the director wanted...however in this case, its not the storyline or anything, its the comical style of the show is starting to carry. I mean, i enjoyed the humorous part with the actors on stage, but the reallly really really obvious and cringe worthy one liners, such as the "close the gates" part, or the "punch me next time i have an idea like this"...those lines are completely out of character and obviously meant for the audience which thus breaks the immersion....any jokes that arise would be within the context of the world their living in...... also, the scene with the map, where they try to make t as obvious as possible where everything is... i feel like theyre starting to try appease a broader audiance that has started to watch the show, so all the dumb people can think theyre following it. For something like GOT, its completely opposite of what the whole thing stood for in the first place! GRRM wrote it to get away from ****ty screenplay writting for broad dumb audiances
anyways rant over, i just wish GRRM was still involved

Very condescending view. I've read the books and am a big fan of the show of the show so I'm not part of the new broader audience but I saw no problem with that scene. Showing the audience some geography for a few seconds doesn't equate to dumbing down.

Regarding dialogue quality dropping, I'd agree with that, but I think it's only a minor drop here and there. The "bad poosy" line last season was the drizzling shíts but thankfully we seem to be done with Dorne now.

The Randy Riverbeast

I feel I can predict whats going to happen a lot more. That could also be due to understanding the characters and their motives as time has gone on.

mewso

I think the quality has generally being lower where the show has deviated from the books across all seasons (bar maybe the first which happened to be the most faithful). Of course I only noticed this as a book reader as I was aware of the parts that were different. There are exceptions here and there but as a result of this I was not that surprised going into a season without a book would mean a dip particularly since the the show has split from the books in more and more ways leading up to this season.

The Hodor stuff in the most recent episode has convinced me that GRRM has given them plot points along the way that they will probably aim to hit in their own way. These points will probably be worth watching but I worry about the rest of it. It's been well publicised that he has outlined the end of the story to them but I think it's very unlikely he hasn't outlined major developments along the way. Even if he has they may only deal with a few of them particularly if their deviations hamstring any way of including them.

The show is the show but my biggest fear is that they may influence the books in such a way that we will never be certain the next couple of books are the books we would have gotten if they show hadn't existed.

RobbingBandit

The Iron Islands has been shoe horned into the show one maybe two seasons after it should have been a major part of things. As George is still a consultant/producer for the show this makes me think the Greyjoys have a major part to play in the last two books same as Whiteharbour which again is being shoved into the show now despite the Manderlys being pseudo major characters in the Stark children arcs mainly Rickon and Robb both being affected by the actions of Whiteharbour.