state support for German airports.

737max

for the German speakers amongst you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60bRDtEIDCA

The report concentrates mainly on Kassel airport which is a white elephant with only a handful of flights each week going nowhere businesses might be interested in. Various other airports were referred to too.
In that part of Germany you are not far away from a number of large airports and each Bundesland operates independently of each other with no joined up thinking.

It cost 270 million to build the airport(bargain if it weren't a white elephant).

The report says that 170 million is spent by Bundeslanden supporting airports each year. Most airports are owned by the state or city or combination of same.
The local government want their vanity project even when it leaves other public services without funding and the example shown was a public library which was shuttered as the same City couldn't afford to run it.
The local government justified the building of the airports by using over-optimistic reports on growth and job creation. Local government were happy to be lied to and vested interests were happy to lie to them.
Figures for losses are fudged by not including construction costs

Here is the biggie:
EU Law will not allow state support of these airports from 2024 onward.
A number of these airports must close. It seems unavoidable.
Ryanair's model of operating from secondary airports where the secondary airports consistently lose money is unsustainable and as these airports close Ryanair and other carriers will be driven toward the major airports loosing some of their cost advantage.

Simon Gruber Says

And meanwhile it's looking increasingly likely that Berlin's Brandenburg airport will be 10 years old before the first revenue flight even arrives, and it's already billions over budget.

737max

at least they have a plan for the berlin airport which is to replace the others.

that isn't the biggest scandal they have in Berlin.

There is a conference centre in Berlin which appears to have been built almost entirely from asbestos which is costing billions to refurbish.

Fattes

737max wrote: »

for the German speakers amongst you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60bRDtEIDCA

Here is the biggie:
EU Law will not allow state support of these airports from 2024 onward.
A number of these airports must close. It seems unavoidable.
Ryanair's model of operating from secondary airports where the secondary airports consistently lose money is unsustainable and as these airports close Ryanair and other carriers will be driven toward the major airports loosing some of their cost advantage.

Or Ryanair buy the airport and operate it!

Locker10a

Fattes wrote: »

737max wrote: »

for the German speakers amongst you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60bRDtEIDCA

Here is the biggie:
EU Law will not allow state support of these airports from 2024 onward.
A number of these airports must close. It seems unavoidable.
Ryanair's model of operating from secondary airports where the secondary airports consistently lose money is unsustainable and as these airports close Ryanair and other carriers will be driven toward the major airports loosing some of their cost advantage.

Or Ryanair buy the airport and operate it!

That would never work! Because then Ryanair would have to actually make money from running the airport ironically something they would struggle with if they were the only ones using it!!!!!

Fattes

Locker10a wrote: »

That would never work! Because then Ryanair would have to actually make money from running the airport ironically something they would struggle with if they were the only ones using it!!!!!

Who says they will be the only one's using it? A lot of airlines are struggling to make profits, yet Ryanair are doing it comfortably. Part of what has made them a success is embracing new ideas, new ways of doing things and adapting.

No reason they could not do it, in a airport.

boardpete

Simon Gruber Says wrote: »

And meanwhile it's looking increasingly likely that Berlin's Brandenburg airport will be 10 years old before the first revenue flight even arrives, and it's already billions over budget.

Berlin airport being billions over budget is not it's only problem, I am told. It seems they didn't have enough money to ensure access to the control tower through a tunnel, which could bring the airport to a stand still at the end of the shift. They also didn't allow enough space for queues of more than five trolleys at check-ins, .... But it will still take many years before the Germans' will find out how their flagship capital airport will work in practice ...

Dardania

boardpete wrote: »

Simon Gruber Says wrote: »

And meanwhile it's looking increasingly likely that Berlin's Brandenburg airport will be 10 years old before the first revenue flight even arrives, and it's already billions over budget.

Berlin airport being billions over budget is not it's only problem, I am told. It seems they didn't have enough money to ensure access to the control tower through a tunnel, which could bring the airport to a stand still at the end of the shift. They also didn't allow enough space for queues of more than five trolleys at check-ins, .... But it will still take many years before the Germans' will find out how their flagship capital airport will work in practice ...

I figure the end to the Berlin sage will be similar to London - different terminals, being used for different purposes - they may be able to get rid of one of the other terminals