Rule set for Amateur MMA introduced

pablohoney87

Announcment regardimg Amateur MMA in the Republic of Ireland.

All IAPA approved events and clubs will now be competing under these rules it sounds like.

http://www.immaf.org/about/competition-rules/

VulcanRaving

Great to see and can't argue with a lot of rules.
Not sure why rash guards should be mandatory though?

pablohoney87

VulcanRaving wrote: »

Great to see and can't argue with a lot of rules.
Not sure why rash guards should be mandatory though?

I do see the benefits of being able to tell an amateur fight clearly as soon as you look at it.

I don't see any real downside to it so it's a fair enough change

CatFromHue

Is the main difference is no elbows of any kind and no knees to head?

I have to say as a relative noob to the sport the elbows to the head were the ones I had most difficulty dealing with.

jimmii

Definitely good to see.

ASOT

CatFromHue wrote: »

Is the main difference is no elbows of any kind and no knees to head?

I have to say as a relative noob to the sport the elbows to the head were the ones I had most difficulty dealing with.

Can't beat a good elbow from the clinch IMO, love watching matt brown for that reason.

On topic its great for the sport and I'm absolutely delighted!!

jimmii

CatFromHue wrote: »

Is the main difference is no elbows of any kind and no knees to head?

I have to say as a relative noob to the sport the elbows to the head were the ones I had most difficulty dealing with.

Thats how it works in Muay Thai too who wants to get an elbow to the face and then have to go to the office on Monday morning! Was at an inter-club the other day and a guy through a spinning elbow definitely not cool.

pablohoney87

Elbows to the head were never allowed in amateur from any position

VulcanRaving

How does everyone feel about 3 X 3 minute rounds?

Would 5 minute rounds (maybe 2 instead of 3 for amateur) allow more time to implement a submission game from closing the distance and securing a takedown and working for it?

I know from doing just grappling rounds you could be the whole round trying to take someone down which is why so many pull guard. Different scenario, I know.

jimmii

VulcanRaving wrote: »

How does everyone feel about 3 X 3 minute rounds?

Would 5 minute rounds (maybe 2 instead of 3 for amateur) allow more time to implement a submission game from closing the distance and securing a takedown and working for it?

I know from doing just grappling rounds you could be the whole round trying to take someone down which is why so many pull guard. Different scenario, I know.

I think 3 mins is about right 5 is dam long! We often do 6 x 3 mins of MT and its pretty tough going! For amateurs 5 minute rounds would likely be a bit too long better to have that little break and keep the quality a little higher. 2 rounds would lead to a lot of drawers so from that point of best to go with an odd number.

darced

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Subcomandante Marcos

No heel hooks? That's as stupid as the no "reaping the knee" rule in IBJJF competitions.

Depp

think full rules re strikes with elbow/knee pads or something would have been better for lads who plan on progressing down the pro route but i see where theyre coming from the rules make sense!

Mellor

VulcanRaving wrote: »

How does everyone feel about 3 X 3 minute rounds?

Would 5 minute rounds (maybe 2 instead of 3 for amateur) allow more time to implement a submission game from closing the distance and securing a takedown and working for it?

3x3 is fine. 9 minutes is a lot.
A comparable level at a grappling match is 5 or 6 minutes only. And only black belts get more time (10 mins).

15 mins is asked way too much of an amateur imo. Few would be able to effectively grappling for that time.

pablohoney87 wrote: »

Announcment regardimg Amateur MMA in the Republic of Ireland.

http://www.immaf.org/about/competition-rules/

What was the announvement?

I think the IMMAF rules have been around for a few years at this point. Google turns up a version going back to 2013. The above set appears to be from last september. Have amateur fights been going by these rules all year?

For the most part, they look like the ammy rules from a few years ago. And similar to the rules here in oz. Algo, there's also an option to allows heel hooks and twisters.

darced wrote:

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I think it's supposed to martial arts sock type, rather than the full on thai sparring pads. Like this
I think the reason for it is that these (IMMAF) rules are designed with MMA tournaments in mind. Where you might have multiple matches over a few days. In that instance I think shin pads, with 6-8oz gloves makes sense.

But for a single bout, on a proper card. I've no issue with 4oz gloves, no pads etc.

pablohoney87

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

No heel hooks? That's as stupid as the no "reaping the knee" rule in IBJJF competitions.

Heel Hooks have never been allowed at amateur

pablohoney87

Mellor wrote: »

What was the announvement?

I think the IMMAF rules have been around for a few years at this point. Google turns up a version going back to 2013. The above set appears to be from last september. Have amateur fights been going by these rules all year?

Apologies, It sounds like all IAPA registered clubs and compliant events will now be competing under this rule set

califano

Just in the nick of time for that wimp Whelo79:pac:

Mellor

pablohoney87 wrote: »

Heel Hooks have never been allowed at amateur

And rightly so too imo. Too many people spaz out with heelhooks. Much more so than other subs.

empacher

darced wrote: »

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differnt sport but same idea, i got pited against a guy training for his first pro fight in my first amateur fight. Got a good hammering. But it was one of those you get matched on the day events. I think clubs should show some integreity and be honest about the level and skill of their fighters.

Subcomandante Marcos

empacher wrote: »

differnt sport but same idea, i got pited against a guy training for his first pro fight in my first amateur fight. Got a good hammering. But it was one of those you get matched on the day events. I think clubs should show some integreity and be honest about the level and skill of their fighters.

It's a stupid way for him to prepare for a pro fight as well, by mauling someone with a 0-0 amateur record he learns nothing, he'd have been better off doing rounds in the gym with lads his own level.

empacher

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

It's a stupid way for him to prepare for a pro fight as well, by mauling someone with a 0-0 amateur record he learns nothing, he'd have been better off doing rounds in the gym with lads his own level.

When i thought back onto it a few weeks later i realised that i was kind of the winner. I had never being hit harder, more exhausted, or so close to just giving up. so to me i learnt more then i would have won a sloppy first timer against first timer.

Mellor

empacher wrote: »

I think clubs should show some integreity and be honest about the level and skill of their fighters.

That's the biggest issue with Amateur fights for me. Coaches/Guys looking for the easy fight.
"New guy, only 6 months doing MMA"

...but doesn't mention that they've an extensive background in some standalone martial art.

Hail 2 Da Chimp

Mellor wrote: »

That's the biggest issue with Amateur fights for me. Coaches/Guys looking for the easy fight.
"New guy, only 6 months doing MMA"

...but doesn't mention that they've an extensive background in some standalone martial art.

10+ years of boxing, with about a dozen fights under his belt... But it's his first MMA fight.
To be honest, I'd like to see a much tougher stance on this type of sandbagging.

MartyMcFly84

I represented Ireland in the IMMAF Europeans last November under this rule set.

I found them fine and very close to any other rule set I had fought under. We did not wear rash guards however.

The shin pads are welcome at an amateur level. Really there is not much difference between the IMMAF rule set and the current one used for amateur events.

I think the same day weigh in is a good idea. Weight cutting is a bad habit that has become too much part of the sport.

Shin guards. This allowed us to fight on consecutive days in the Euros, no way could we do this is we did not wear shin pads.

3 mins rounds is standard for amateur MMA. Most pros find it hard to keep up a pace for 15mins, imagine what amateur would look like.

Whelo79

califano wrote: »

Just in the nick of time for that wimp Whelo79:pac:

Haha, the new rules have been a talking point this week alright. There's a bit of confusion about the rash guard statement. Nobody understands why it would be compulsory to wear it unless aye it is just applying to women.

Oh and I'm half way to being a warrior now!!

Dtp1979

Whelo79 wrote: »

Oh and I'm half way to being a warrior now!!

Or still half a wimp

VulcanRaving

Whelo79 wrote: »

Haha, the new rules have been a talking point this week alright. There's a bit of confusion about the rash guard statement. Nobody understands why it would be compulsory to wear it unless aye it is just applying to women.

Oh and I'm half way to being a warrior now!!

Could the rash guards be used for sponsorship space?
Wouldn't be a bad idea for guys that fight for free!

Mellor

VulcanRaving wrote: »

Could the rash guards be used for sponsorship space?
Wouldn't be a bad idea for guys that fight for free!

Probably. I know guys who've gotten patches on shorts, gi's etc. But it's a hard sell without being on TV. Probably wouldnt cover much

jimmii

VulcanRaving wrote: »

Could the rash guards be used for sponsorship space?
Wouldn't be a bad idea for guys that fight for free!

You might get it for free but not much more. Know a few guys who get the gear supplied to wear patches on for fights but no money is exchanged. Definitely a possibility though. If you can get an audience people are always going to be people happy to pay to get their brand in front of it.

corkgsxr

Problem with 3x3 is someone can give it socks for 2 rounds and as long as they don't get tko'd in the 3rd they'll win on points

More rounds means you have to put abit of planing in it

pablohoney87

corkgsxr wrote: »

Problem with 3x3 is someone can give it socks for 2 rounds and as long as they don't get tko'd in the 3rd they'll win on points

More rounds means you have to put abit of planing in it

3 rounds is your standard mok title fight anyway

Mellor

corkgsxr wrote: »

Problem with 3x3 is someone can give it socks for 2 rounds and as long as they don't get tko'd in the 3rd they'll win on points

More rounds means you have to put abit of planing in it

That applies to 3x5min pro fight too. Win two rounds and you win the fight.

It's a little more difficult to achieve than "giving it socks for two rounds"

Gumbi

3x3 is fine, for full MMA rules that's more than enough for amateurs. Many gas by round 3 anyway.

I'm a bit disappointed by the shin pads and rash guards, I don't see what they achieve. No knees to head is a weird one too, but I don't mind it too much.

MartyMcFly84

Shin pads lessen the damage received and delivered. Particularly prevention of cuts and a lot less pain on unconditioned shins.

No knees to he head at amateur is fair enough. They are not allowed in other amateur striking arts either. It is arguably the most devestaing strike and they don't want amateurs receiving this kind of damage before even embarking on a pro careers. If they ever do.

In a way the rules make amateur MMA more user friendly and accessible to more people. I think more people would be willing to complete under this rule set as its similar to how people would spar in the gym.

The over all aim is to increase the level and safety of MMA. Guys will run up less miles on the clock competing with these new rules. Yet still improve skill wise. Guys will be able to have a lot of amateur fights and a reduced risk of injury.

When they turn pro the change over will be small and they will be well prepared for it.