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Do the screenwriters have access to unpublished books

  • 20-05-2016 2:15pm
    #1
    kidneyfan
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,279 ✭✭✭


    Hi All,

    Are we still in sync with the books? and will the screenwriters be sure not to be out of sync with the books?


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  • #2
    CMOTDibbler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,128 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    kidneyfan wrote: »
    Hi All,

    Are we still in sync with the books? and will the screenwriters be sure not to be out of sync with the books?
    Not fully in sync. Some story arcs are beyond the books now.

    What the screenwriters will do is anybody's guess. They would have an outline from GRRM as to how the books progress but there's no published written word yet and unlikely to be until at least the end of this year.


  • #3
    GerB40
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    Even though a lot of what happened so far in season 6 is beyond what's been in the books, the show runners and George RR Martin have said that very little of the current season will spoil the books. In other words the book and the show are going in different directions.
    Recently GRRM released an Arianne chapter and most of the characters in it are dead in the show. It was clear from the chapter that the show is killing off characters because there's simply too many people for a 10 hour a year programme. The books don't have that problem..


  • #4
    kidneyfan
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,279 ✭✭✭kidneyfan


    GerB40 wrote: »
    Even though a lot of what happened so far in season 6 is beyond what's been in the books, the show runners and George RR Martin have said that very little of the current season will spoil the books. In other words the book and the show are going in different directions.
    Recently GRRM released an Arianne chapter and most of the characters in it are dead in the show. It was clear from the chapter that the show is killing off characters because there's simply too many people for a 10 hour a year programme. The books don't have that problem..
    What! That's way worse! The program should be the same as the book and if there is a delay with writing the books then the programs should just wait!


  • #5
    paulmclaughlin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,299 ✭✭✭paulmclaughlin


    kidneyfan wrote: »
    What! That's way worse! The program should be the same as the book and if there is a delay with writing the books then the programs should just wait!

    You do realise the last two books were published in 2005 and 2011 respectively? The notion that one of the most popular shows on TV at the moment should wait 5+ years between seasons to allow the author to publish the next book in the series is pretty ridiculous. I presume you only watch the show seeing as you're unaware whether the show and book are synced?


  • #6
    ArmaniJeanss
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    kidneyfan wrote: »
    What! That's way worse! The program should be the same as the book and if there is a delay with writing the books then the programs should just wait!

    The program and the books have long diverged.

    As for waiting; well at the authors current leisurely pace (and assuming 3 more books) you are talking maybe 2032 before its finished. That would be one hell of a long holding contract for the actors.


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  • #7
    endacl
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    kidneyfan wrote: »
    What! That's way worse! The program should be the same as the book and if there is a delay with writing the books then the programs should just wait!

    It'd never be finished. I've been reading these bloody (good) books since the first one was published in 1996. That's 20 years now. Even by High Fantasy standards, George RR Martin is a feckin' sloth. I've reread the first two several times. Not because they're that good, but simply to remind myself of what dafuq is happening in the bajillion storylines the reader has to juggle. He can write faster. His record shows this. In fact, in his early career he used to write specifically for TV (remember Beauty and the Beast in the 80s? That was his). The problem is, he doesnt write faster. Why not? Who knows. Maybe he's just getting older? Maybe the story has gotten away from him? Maybe he's a little overwhelmed by what it's become?

    I remember him announcing the TV deal on his website, oh, it must be 11/12 years ago now, and thinking 'well, he'll have to finish it soon-ish'. Maybe he'd be better off just handing the plot outline over to the screenwriters and letting them finish the job. They've been doing a good one so far.


  • #8
    Liam O
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,602 ✭✭✭✭Liam O


    From the moment Jeyne Westerling became Tulisa in season 2 there hasn't really been much to compare the 2 mediums bar the major events. Greyjoys, Brotherhood, Blackfish, Edmure, Shireen and Selyse among others just not acknowledged for long periods after being introduced. I think a lot of it is down to resources and that is what they'll tell you but I think it's poor planning. You could have culled certain storylines early on or planned a better way to bring them together without introducing a bunch of characters in an unsustainable fashion.

    The show still has it's moments and for the most part casting has been excellent but the differences with what happened to Stannis and Jaime on a character level really put me off the show last season with them probably being the 2 best book POVs towards the end. Dorne was coming together nicely in the book but they just made a mess of it then threw it away. I mean I understand a lot of their decisions but I don't think they are particularly good ones and show a lack of understanding of certain characters.

    With that said this season has been an improvement and the last episode especially going for character building over action until the end is a move in the right direction. Obviously they can't do as much as the books but the storylines are a bit more coherent than the last couple of seasons which were saved somewhat by the Wall and the Boltons imo.


  • #9
    pq0n1ct4ve8zf5
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    Sure if they waited for the books Arya would be in her mid twenties next time we see her.

    They've very significantly diverged and gone ahead of the books by now, presumably heading to roughly the same end point. It's been a mixed bag in terms of how they've handled it, but to be fair when you're adapting something like this you'll never please everyone. They really did seem to nearly lose control of it during season four and five, wasn't very excited about this season at all, but they've really pulled it together imo


  • #10
    pickarooney
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,738 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Martin will end up just adapting the show into a novel.


  • #11
    allibastor
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    There seems to be massive difference in the books now, in terms of plots and details.

    The general movement along though is the same, it is getting to the overall point, I imagine GRRM has said the ending to the show and some major stage bits, but left the rest up to them.

    I mean, in the books there is actually a Targearon in Westeros already with an army and a landed lord, no mention in the Series at all.


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