7 Deadly Sins

frag420

I asked this question in the "Too much trash talk against christianity" thread but also wanted to ask the broader group here.

So the seven deadly sins are...Pride, Envy, Wrath, Gluttony,Lust, Sloth and Greed.

Personally I experience most of these daily. Last night I ate to much so I was gluttonous, I am proud that I managed to get myself an education and get a degree however I am envious that my house-mate can work from home and do any hours she likes while I have to travel an hour to get to my office and work a full day. I lust after the barmaid in my local pub (where i also tend to be gluttonous at times). Sometime I am lazy, sloth!!


Now what I want to know is why are these sins? Why did the church decide these were sinfull considering they are feeling and emotions that every human experiences at least once daily if not more? They are natural human feeling and emotions, as natural as love!

Now my take is that they were deemed sinful so that people are in a continuous cycle of sin and thus must repent and ask for continuous forgiveness from god thus keeping them a part of the church.

So can anyone tell me a good reason why these feeling are sinfull?

Can I ask those of you that have not sinned (referring to the seven mentioned above) answer first if that is possible

thanks

frAg

JustShon

I'm not really Christian anymore but I've always found the idea of the 7 deadly sins interesting.

I can see why at some stage, you would want to discourage all of these:

Food wasn't always as plentiful as it is now so you make gluttony a sin to keep anyone from eating more than their fair share.

Wrath is a sin because let's face it, losing the rag and beating the sh1te out of someone should be discourage.

Greed is a sin for the same reason as gluttony, kinda, in that resources / stuff was scarce so hoarding things would be bad for society.

Lust was bad because back then there was no contraception and if you went around having sex without any compunction you wind up with more babies than your society can support.

Envy makes it on the list so people aren't trying to take each other's stuff all the time.

Sloth is a sin because people need to pull their own weight or society would collapse, or at least it would have back then anyway.

Pride takes a bit of mental gymnastics though. I never felt there was much weight to this one aside from the interpretation I was given which is that it's less about pride and more about excessive pride or arrogance, which I can see why that's bad.

ScumLord

If you believe science and history religion came about at a time when people started living in larger groups. It's likely religion was the catalyst for city living and farming as monuments like gobekli teki show the religion of hunter gatherers, it also contains some iconography that we can see being passed down to the Jewish faith and then onto Christianity.

Religion is a way of life. I see it as an attempt to transcend the fact we are animals, to become something more cerebral. To tap into this larger picture we became aware of and attributed to a god. It goes onto this day and we still fail at leaving our animal traits at the door, even with scientific education telling us where our weaknesses are we just can't ignore the base emotions developed over millions of years and in fact we are now finding that we don't need to. They tend to be useful in the right context and with the understanding they're like a point of view, you don't have to listen to them.

Manach

Offhand, these are sins as they undermine the community, the city of God. The countervailing virtues that oppose them are faith, hope and charity. Each of them is where the individual looks beyond the self and embraces the wider community.

The sins are what could be good but twisted to suit the individual own ego: for instance that of pride could be an excess regard in ones own virtue and standing: as mentioned in the biblical segment of those who boast while instead the less proud are at the back, simply engaged with the tasks at hand.
This former type of regard is likely why it is deemed sinful.

uck51js9zml2yt

Sin is sin.
There are none "more deadly" than the rest.
I would assume the concept floats somewhere in the environs of mortal/venal sin.

Jesus died for Sin. The Bible tells us that we have all sinned and fall short of Gods standards and that the penalty for sin is death. We have all sinned, we have all died (spiritually) and as a result will die physically at a certain point.
Jesus in dying for sin, paid or penalty that was ours and as result could restore us to God.

You asked "those who have not sinned".......no one is in that position except the One who was able to Redeem us.

lazybones32

Harley Old Sugar wrote: »

There are none "more deadly" than the rest.
I would assume the concept floats somewhere in the environs of mortal/venal sin.

One bit of an issue:

"If you see any brother or sister commit a sin that does not lead to death, you should pray and God will give them life. I refer to those whose sin does not lead to death. There is a sin that leads to death. I am not saying that you should pray about that. All wrongdoing is sin, and there is sin that does not lead to death.". 1 Jn 5:16-17

hinault

7 Deadly Sins are gateway behaviours to more sinful behaviours.

There used to be different classifications of sin in Theology : venial sins and mortal sins.
7 Deadly Sins are gateway behaviours to sin.

BTW, I want to thank those of you here who PM'd me during the ban which was imposed on me three months ago.

lazybones32

hinault wrote: »

BTW, I want to thank those of you here who PM'd me during the ban which was imposed on me three months ago.

I agree with your post and would like to discuss certain aspects of it later, when I have more time.

Were you banned for 3 months? lol:pac: Consider it a rite of passage!
I thought you got sick of it here or found something better to do.

keano_afc

lazybones32 wrote: »

I agree with your post and would like to discuss certain aspects of it later, when I have more time.

Were you banned for 3 months? lol:pac: Consider it a rite of passage!
I thought you got sick of it here or found something better to do.

Hinault had so many people on the ignore list he probably got tired of speaking to himself

uck51js9zml2yt

keano_afc wrote: »

Hinault had so many people on the ignore list he probably got tired of speaking to himself

I would have spilled my coffee from laughing, if I had a cup in my hand

Welcome back hinault!

uck51js9zml2yt

lazybones32 wrote: »

One bit of an issue:

"If you see any brother or sister commit a sin that does not lead to death, you should pray and God will give them life. I refer to those whose sin does not lead to death. There is a sin that leads to death. I am not saying that you should pray about that. All wrongdoing is sin, and there is sin that does not lead to death.". 1 Jn 5:16-17

There is only 1 sin which is unforgivable according to scripture and that is blaspheming the Holy Spirit. At what point that happens only God knows.
Granted it also says in Corinthians that not discerning the Lords Body while breaking bread led to some of the Corinthian church getting sick or dying.

lazybones32

Harley Old Sugar wrote: »

There is only 1 sin which is unforgivable according to scripture and that is blaspheming the Holy Spirit. At what point that happens only God knows.
Granted it also says in Corinthians that not discerning the Lords Body while breaking bread led to some of the Corinthian church getting sick or dying.

So, the

Harley Old Sugar wrote: »

There are none "more deadly" than the rest.

part of your earlier post is incorrect: some sins can be considered more deadly...more lethal...or even mortal? The husband and wife from Acts who died after they "...lied to the holy Spirit..." also serves to show that there is a difference between sins in the eyes of God.
Scripture also says that there are about 4 certain types of sin that cry or scream out to God - I must look for the correct phrasing - but innocent blood being spilled is one; I think an injustice done to orphans and widows is another...I'll look for the references and update.