Canelo vacates, Golovkin new WBC champion

Andre 3000

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2641032-canelo-alvarez-vacates-wbc-title-comments-on-potential-gennady-golovkin-fight

So Canelo has vacated the belt due to his desire not to force a fight under the two week deadline he was given by the WBC. Here's his statement:

After much consideration, today, I instructed my team at Golden Boy Promotions to continue negotiating a fight with Gennady ‘GGG’ Golovkin and to finalize a deal as quickly as possible. I also informed the WBC that I will vacate its title. For the entirety of my career, I have taken the fights that no one wanted because I fear no man. Never has that been more true than today. I will fight ‘GGG,’ and I will beat ‘GGG’ but I will not be forced into the ring by artificial deadlines. I am hopeful that by putting aside this ticking clock, the two teams can now negotiate this fight, and ‘GGG’ and I can get in the ring as soon as possible and give the fans the fight they want to see.

If he's true to his words, fair f*cks to him and let's be honest it's idiotic how the alphabets give lads a week or two to schedule big fights like this. But....one has to be sceptical of Canelo here, he could easily come out saying he wants to go down to 154 again and fight Lara again, or try and coax a money fight with Manny or Floyd again and say he'll fight Golovkin next year, hoping the 34 y/o Golovkin will suddenly get old giving Canelo a proper chance.

In a sense I'm glad, as the fight can be made proper now if discussion time is not limited, but obviously a boxing fan has to be pissed to a certain degree with this news and what it could mean. I'm also not a fan of being awarded a belt outside the ring. Boxing and winning belts shouldn't be done through the business/paper side. I mean Canelo "vacated" the belt, surely the belt/title is now vacant?

Anyway, this story is bound to have more twists and turns yet.

walshb

In public all fighters will fight all fighters. Canelo and his team never wanted this fight. If they did it would have been made. This BS about deadlines etc is just a red herring. Canelo is a global boxing star who has a team that can pull strings.

Danye

I'm a fan of Canelo, but personally I think this is a loaf of BS from Canelo.

FTA69

If it looks like a duck, duck's like a duck then it's probably a duck.

Duck.

Big Ears

The reason the title isn't vacant is Golovkin won the WBC interim title when he beat Rubio. Rubio gained the belt beating Domenico Spada when Sergio Martinez was out for over a year.....although strangely (although not so strange for boxing) Martinez had his comeback and attempted defence of the belt just 2 months after the Rubio vs Spada fight.
If I remember correctly at the time the WBC were saying the Cotto vs Martinez winner would have to face Golovkin within a mandated timeframe or give up the belt, but that of course never happened.

From a boxing point of view it's the fight everyone wants to see. But from a business point of view the fight makes no sense for Canelo and his team, so it won't be happening anytime soon. There's 10's of millions at stake here and guys aren't just going to throw that away. Unfortunately for us

tomwalker

Canelo always did it wrong! By finding excuses to face GGG, but this time as WBC announced that Canelo should face GGG if he had a win over Amir. So after his win Canelo was cuaght in a situation where he hadn't any option except; one was to face GGG & second was to leave WBC middle weight title. Because if he didn't do it, WBC would easily kick him out as Canelo had fears to face GGG.

Andre 3000

pac_man wrote: »

The fight needs "marinating" according to Oscar. That term should only be used when your talking about chicken which seems quite appropriate in explaining Canelos latest move.

:pac:

StringerBell

pac_man wrote: »

The fight needs "marinating" according to Oscar. That term should only be used when your talking about chicken which seems quite appropriate in explaining Canelos latest move.

By marinating he means, "we need to wait a couple of years for GGG to get old."

Joe Musashi

I expect him to fight Cotto again. Yawn.

Underground

I find it funny he used the term "artificial deadlines". This is a man who was insisting on an artificial catch weight if he were to fight GGG.

walshb

Big Ears wrote: »

From a boxing point of view it's the fight everyone wants to see. But from a business point of view the fight makes no sense for Canelo and his team, so it won't be happening anytime soon. There's 10's of millions at stake here and guys aren't just going to throw that away. Unfortunately for us

Why does it make no sense for Canelo financially? Can he make more money fighting someone else, and if so, hugely more?

It's like you're implying that Canelo doesn't want to make the fight because he can't make big money on it. I don't buy that. For me it's a fear thing, not a money thing!

mansize

Canelo would still have not been beaten by GGG so he could trade on that bs for as long as he could.

He won't fight GGG now, it will be much later, when its too late.

mansize

I see Eubank Jr has joined match room and already talking up a GGG fight...

Ugh, Hearne

Joe Musashi

Golovkin does not have a natural fanbase in the US but he has been one of the leading lights on American TV in terms of viewing figures; not Canelo or JCC level but the guy is hardly an unknown. A fight with Golovkin and Canelo would do big PPV numbers I think.

Andre 3000

Canelo Khan did around 460k buys apparently and Canelo Cotto did 900k approx. I think 400-500k is a safe bet for PPV buys for a fight with Golovkin. Golovkin used be one for the diehards but his style, results and his appealing personality and nature gives him wide appeal. He needs this fight massively though. He won't build a legacy beating journeymen contenders. If Canelo bitches out you feel Golovkin will have to go to 168 sooner rather than later.

price690

Andre 3000 wrote: »

Canelo Khan did around 460k buys apparently and Canelo Cotto did 900k approx. I think 400-500k is a safe bet for PPV buys for a fight with Golovkin. Golovkin used be one for the diehards but his style, results and his appealing personality and nature gives him wide appeal. He needs this fight massively though. He won't build a legacy beating journeymen contenders. If Canelo bitches out you feel Golovkin will have to go to 168 sooner rather than later.

Canelo is being handled here, the guy will fight anyone. I'd say Oscar wrote down the amount of money that Canelo can make before risking it all against GGG and he quickly jumped down off his "i'll fight anyone" horse.

Its really the fight that no top fighter wants, a crack at GGG.

It really sums up all thats wrong with boxing, so many vested interests. How can you claim to be the lineal middleweight champ when you have never fought at 160lbs? it just shouldn't be allowed happen. The best just won't fight the best in this sport unless they absolutely have no room for manouevre elsewhere.

Canelo is a cash cow, hes a good fighter in my opinion his nationality is his unique selling point given the gap in the market now Mayweather has hung up his gloves. I expect Canelo to drag another Welterweight of small Light middleweight up for his next fight albeit at 155 or 156lbs.

Another mention of Eubank there, id love to see that fight. I'd love to see Eubank v Golovkin and Canelo v Saunders.

Ive said it before, Saunders has the beating of Canelo but he would need a KO, and he wouldn't get that. No way he is winning that on the cards unless its a 10-2 shutout or anything upwards.

themandan6611

GGG Versus McGregor

Andre 3000

On second thought, I'd be willing to give Canelo the benefit of the doubt. He fought Mayweather willingly when he had his 0 and was very young. Granted it made him rich and gave him star power it was a brave move. He fought one of the most avoided boxers around in Erislandy Lara. He was scheduled to fight Paul Williams before that awful accident and everyone knows Williams is a nightmare fight for anyone. I'd be putting the blame on De La Hoya if I'm honest but it's easy to understand his reluctance. Canelo is his prize pig, in fact with the imminent departure of Cotto, Manny, Marquez etc., Canelo is the only established PPV star in Boxing. Fighting and beating Golovkin would elevate him to new heights but it's high risk high reward, and I don't think Canelo or De La Hoya need to make that move, they're doing pretty fine already.

The one aspect I love about the UFC is where the best have to fight the best, no bullsh*t. Obviously that's never going to happen in Boxing with the four organisations, and there are massive pros to that too, but it's times like this where you look at the obscene amount of lads with belts who almost put embarrassment tonthe term "world champion" as well as all the politics behind fight making, it's disappointing to say the least.

price690

Andre 3000 wrote: »

On second thought, I'd be willing to give Canelo the benefit of the doubt. He fought Mayweather willingly when he had his 0 and was very young. Granted it made him rich and gave him star power it was a brave move. He fought one of the most avoided boxers around in Erislandy Lara. He was scheduled to fight Paul Williams before that awful accident and everyone knows Williams is a nightmare fight for anyone. I'd be putting the blame on De La Hoya if I'm honest but it's easy to understand his reluctance. Canelo is his prize pig, in fact with the imminent departure of Cotto, Manny, Marquez etc., Canelo is the only established PPV star in Boxing. Fighting and beating Golovkin would elevate him to new heights but it's high risk high reward, and I don't think Canelo or De La Hoya need to make that move, they're doing pretty fine already.

The one aspect I love about the UFC is where the best have to fight the best, no bullsh*t. Obviously that's never going to happen in Boxing with the four organisations, and there are massive pros to that too, but it's times like this where you look at the obscene amount of lads with belts who almost put embarrassment tonthe term "world champion" as well as all the politics behind fight making, it's disappointing to say the least.

UFC is still in its infancy. You will sooner or later see the fighters start to take on the promoters/owners who are making obscene money whilst the fighters receive a very small fraction.

Once this starts to happen you will have that sport splintering, where x will refuse to fight y because "it doesn't make financial sense" etc..

As it stands the best in the UFC do fight the best. The money isnt hectic so theres more pride in being the best. The "0" whilst important, isnt as big as a marketing tool in the UFC. And this comes from a boxing fan who would only have a passin interest in UFC.

Once the fighters gain control they will open the door for their own managers/promoters and thats when the integrity of the sport gets compromised.

A nice balance would be fighters being paid great money under the banner of one promotion. The best duke it out against the best to reach the top of their division logically, rather than getting bogus rankings. with the occasional catchweight superfights aswell if they are do-able and both guys are close enough in weight.

walshb

Andre 3000 wrote: »

On second thought, I'd be willing to give Canelo the benefit of the doubt. He fought Mayweather willingly when he had his 0 and was very young. Granted it made him rich and gave him star power it was a brave move.

Why is this being brought up and considered? Feather fisted (relatively speaking compared to Canelo) smaller Mayweather (on the back end of his career) that made him a huge amount of money. It has nothing to do with stepping up to meet a man who could brutalize him and hurt him

TheNap

Nothing really new here in modern boxing .

The smaller guy not that willing to fight the bigger guy.

GGG turned down a fight with Ward last year which seemed to go un-noticed. Same kind of thing .

Canelo obviously looks a lot worse because he vacated the belt ( which he never should of had )

walshb

TheNap wrote: »

Nothing really new here in modern boxing .

The smaller guy not that willing to fight the bigger guy.

GGG turned down a fight with Ward last year which seemed to go un-noticed. Same kind of thing .

Canelo obviously looks a lot worse because he vacated the belt ( which he never should of had )

But in this instance Canelo is the Lineal MW champ. GGG is a MW. Ward is 8 lbs higher at SMW. GGG never ventured to 168 and never won belts there. Canelo has ventured and has won the lineal belt.

TheNap

walshb wrote: »

But in this instance Canelo is the Lineal MW champ. GGG is a MW. Ward is 8 lbs higher at SMW. GGG never ventured to 168 and never won belts there. Canelo has ventured and has won the lineal belt.

I know . That's what makes it seem much worse from Canelo . However i didn't see that as a leitimate title in the 1st place. He vacated a belt he never should of had imo

Big Ears

walshb wrote: »

Why does it make no sense for Canelo financially? Can he make more money fighting someone else, and if so, hugely more?

It's like you're implying that Canelo doesn't want to make the fight because he can't make big money on it. I don't buy that. For me it's a fear thing, not a money thing!

Canelo can make huge money on the fight of course, more money than he would in any fight barring maybe Mayweather for a 2nd time or possibly Pacquiao. However it'd be like earning one massive lump sum at a cost of future earnings decreasing exponentially.
In his last 2 fights he did roughly 900,000 for Cotto (who's a huge name) and 460,000 for Khan (who's a bit of a name). A fight with Golovkin could imo add up to something like that combined, as currently it's the biggest fight in boxing that could actually be made,it'd be huge !

But the likelihood is Canelo loses, and if he loses he probably gets stopped .........and takes a beating in the process. From there his numbers and all round marketability would go way down. Advertising deals etc,, badly effected.
I'd certainly believe it has far more to do with that, than an elite level boxer who's used to smashing most opponents with relative ease, being afraid of another fighter. But I could be wrong.

Andre 3000

Big Ears wrote: »

Canelo can make huge money on the fight of course, more money than he would in any fight barring maybe Mayweather for a 2nd time or possibly Pacquiao. However it'd be like earning one massive lump sum at a cost of future earnings decreasing exponentially.
In his last 2 fights he did roughly 900,000 for Cotto (who's a huge name) and 460,000 for Khan (who's a bit of a name). A fight with Golovkin could imo add up to something like that combined, as currently it's the biggest fight in boxing that could actually be made,it'd be huge !

But the likelihood is Canelo loses, and if he loses he probably gets stopped .........and takes a beating in the process. From there his numbers and all round marketability would go way down. Advertising deals etc,, badly effected.
I'd certainly believe it has far more to do with that, than an elite level boxer who's used to smashing most opponents with relative ease, being afraid of another fighter. But I could be wrong.

There is literally no way Golovkin/Canelo does more than Cotto/Canelo, let alone do that combined with Canelo/Khan.

walshb

Andre 3000 wrote: »

There is literally no way Golovkin/Canelo does more than Cotto/Canelo, let alone do that combined with Canelo/Khan.

That staement, if true, is sad. Not aimed at you, but the fact that Cotto, an aged and past it blown up WW could draw in more numbers than GGG, a killer MW with a fairly known name on the world boxing stage, is sad!

Me: I'd pay for GGG-Canelo every day of the week. Wouldn't cross the road to watch Cotto against anyone.

Andre 3000

walshb wrote: »

That staement, if true, is sad. Not aimed at you, but the fact that Cotto, an aged and past it blown up WW could draw in more num,bers than GGG, a killer MW witha fairly known name on the world boxing stage.

Me: I'd pay for GGG-Canelo every day of the week. Wouldn't cross the road to watch Cotto against anyone.

Cotto is a seasoned fighter though with a long history of big fights that have attracted big numbers and have made him huge... The Garden will always be synonymous with Cotto and also the Puerto Ricans are boxing mad hence his popularity. It only makes sense he's still popular. I agree completely, I want Cotto to f*ck off from the sport too, but we're outliers here, he's a popular fighter.

Golovkin needs a big fight to take himself to the next step, in terms of popularity and legacy. This fight obviously would be perfect.

Dick phelan

I'v defended Canelo and i'm a big fan but no defending this, whatever happened to "let's put the gloves on right now" Canelo knew since the Cotto fight that he had to fight GGG, he's not being rushed into negotiations he's had since the Cotto fight to start making a deal.