TTIP

djmc

Has anyone any opinions on it.
All I have seen on it is bad news for European farmers and consumers also seems to be a lot of cloak and dagger stuff keeping it hush hush behind closed doors.
There seems to be a lot of opposition growing against it.
Am I wrong or has anyone heard anything good about it.

blue5000

Don't think you are wrong anyway. Seems to be just a way for big business to extract more money from the market place with lower standards. The whole hush hush stuff is wrong.

What's this whole secret summit crap that simple simon was at last year in Denmark, and noonan the year before? I don't have any links to it.

Found a link

http://www.thejournal.ie/simon-coveney-bilderberg-conference-1490010-May2014/

Birdnuts

blue5000 wrote: »

Don't think you are wrong anyway. Seems to be just a way for big business to extract more money from the market place with lower standards. The whole hush hush stuff is wrong.

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Yep - has been described as the biggest corporate power grab in the history of these tradedeals. Will mean large corporations can sue governments if they don't like their health,safety, labour, environmental etc. standards. Some go as far as saying its a threat to democracy itself as it will seriously impinge on many basic human rights

djmc

https://uplift.ie/fight-ttip/
OK I am posting a link to a petition I signed
It's up to other posters what they want to do.
After watching some clips from Luke Ming Flannigan and others on YouTube l have made up my own mind .
Competing with beef fed angel dust when we would be jailed for doing the same doesn't seem right to me.
Politicians can be bought and there is a lot of money at stake in this agreement.
I am trying to take an unbiased view before signing anything but I am starting to believe that this will effect all of us if passed and can't find anything that would convince me otherwise.

_Brian

I can understand the need for secrecy in deals like this.
However I've heard nothing good about anything that's been leaked with the beef quotas being an example, that seem rot be off the adjenda for the moment but I'd say it's more a delay than anything.

Big business needs more markets and this is how it's happening, they have reached a ceiling in their current markets and being more powerful than government will get their own way.

It's a two edged sword really, agriculture in Ireland exports 90% of its produce so more markets and bigger conglomerates are neede to sustain this for us. But you can be damn sure it will also be bad news for agriculture in the long run.

Being a industry that exports 90% of its goods I feel signing a petition against trade deals is a bit (or very) two faced.

djmc

_Brian wrote: »

I can understand the need for secrecy in deals like this.
However I've heard nothing good about anything that's been leaked with the beef quotas being an example, that seem rot be off the adjenda for the moment but I'd say it's more a delay than anything.

Big business needs more markets and this is how it's happening, they have reached a ceiling in their current markets and being more powerful than government will get their own way.

It's a two edged sword really, agriculture in Ireland exports 90% of its produce so more markets and bigger conglomerates are neede to sustain this for us. But you can be damn sure it will also be bad news for agriculture in the long run.

Being a industry that exports 90% of its goods I feel signing a petition against trade deals is a bit (or very) two faced.

Are you getting it mixed up with the mercosur deal with south America.
The ttip is more to do with big business in the US where they can sue our government's if they do anything that is seen to affect their business or profits.
I'm not against free trade just a level playing field where the same standards and rights are applied.

browned

djmc wrote: »

https://uplift.ie/fight-ttip/
OK I am posting a link to a petition I signed
It's up to other posters what they want to do.
After watching some clips from Luke Ming Flannigan and others on YouTube l have made up my own mind .
Competing with beef fed angel dust when we would be jailed for doing the same doesn't seem right to me.
Politicians can be bought and there is a lot of money at stake in this agreement.
I am trying to take an unbiased view before signing anything but I am starting to believe that this will effect all of us if passed and can't find anything that would convince me otherwise.

I'm probably interrupting it wrong but isn't ttip looking to create standardised regulation between the usa and Europe to reduce restrictions on trade. as in we wouldn't be competing with angel dust fed beef cause it would be allowed here as well? Was watching prime time the other night and it said basically Europe had higher standards of food production and environmental regulation than the usa and the U.S. were looking to lower the European standards to match their own better. If that was the case wouldn't that mean a reduction in red tape for farmers. It could also work the other way and lead to increased regulation and standards put on usa farmers.

blue5000

browned wrote: »

I'm probably interrupting it wrong but isn't ttip looking to create standardised regulation between the usa and Europe to reduce restrictions on trade. as in we wouldn't be competing with angel dust fed beef cause it would be allowed here as well? Was watching prime time the other night and it said basically Europe had higher standards of food production and environmental regulation than the usa and the U.S. were looking to lower the European standards to match their own better. If that was the case wouldn't that mean a reduction in red tape for farmers. It could also work the other way and lead to increased regulation and standards put on usa farmers.

I reckon it's gmo that is the stumbling block. EU is still resisting them, USA has them and Monsanto wants to grab a bigger slice of what we grow and eat.

_Brian

djmc wrote: »

Are you getting it mixed up with the mercosur deal with south America.
The ttip is more to do with big business in the US where they can sue our government's if they do anything that is seen to affect their business or profits.
I'm not against free trade just a level playing field where the same standards and rights are applied.

I am. Thanks.

ganmo

i listen to a podcast of US farming news and they're all for TTIP but they reckon neither trump nor clinton will let it pass.

blue5000

Did anybody else hear anything about a merger between monsanto, basf and bayer? I have some crowd (emailing) begging me for a donation to fight it:o

djmc

blue5000 wrote: »

Did anybody else hear anything about a merger between monsanto, basf and bayer? I have some crowd (emailing) begging me for a donation to fight it:o

No but I'd be very wary of making any donation to an email unless I personally knew the person that sent it and believed strongly in what they were saying .
Too many email scams out there..