V-Par format

BigChap1759

New format to our club this year - I'm assuming this is non-qualifying?

exaisle

It would surprise me if it's a new format at your club....it's a very old format (I can remember playing Vpar competitions 20 years ago although maybe it's fallen out of favour...but if it's a club competition, then I don't think there's any reason for it to be non-qualifying (for handicap purposes I assume).

The problem with Vpar is that it penalises the player who birdies a hole on which they have a shot...so their net score is actually an eagle but you don't get two wins Vpar.

I hate Vpar, mainly because I once finished with the equivalent of 42 points (I had 2 birdies and two eagles in my round - 6 better than standard scratch) but was only 4-up Vpar. I lost the competition on the back nine to somebody whose net score was two worse than mine.... :-(

mafc

BigChap1759 wrote: »

New format to our club this year - I'm assuming this is non-qualifying?

Qualifying 100%

As said above not much point in having eagles and birdies on holes where you have shots.

JIdontknow

Played one of these a few years ago, and it was qualifying. To be honest I cant remember all the details but remember playing one and I can see the "18 hole singes Vs Par" on my golfnet records too.

The Rape of Lucretia

mafc wrote: »

Qualifying 100%

As said above not much point in having eagles and birdies on holes where you have shots.

Which is the wrong spin on it.
It is forgiving of high scores on a hole - and a lot more people having high scores on holes than birdies and eagles - by a factor of a hundred or something I would guess.
In fact, v-par is a middle ground between stroke (reward and punish everything), and Dr Stableford's formula (reward everything, forgive the high ones). It tempers the rare eagles and birdies all right not giving the double win - but still forgives the high ones.
People against v-par should be doubly against stroke competitions.

Senecio

V-Par requires a different mindset. Think of it as playing match play against a scratch marker that is going to par every hole. All you need to do is beat net par and you win the hole.

PARlance

No reason for it not to be qualifying apart from placing etc. Instead of a numeric score, CSS will be 1 up, level, 1 down etc.

I like it as a format, matchplay against the course.

BigChap1759

PARlance wrote: »

No reason for it not to be qualifying apart from placing etc. Instead of a numeric score, CSS will be 1 up, level, 1 down etc.

I like it as a format, matchplay against the course.

Thanks, that's a very interesting point on the css- was wondering how that would work

Ronney

Yea you really have to treat it as match play in your mind. People tend to not like it as you can find your self out of a hole quicker than stableford. Those putts to save a point after a disastrous hole no longer matter. Probably favors more aggressive play

Wichita Lineman

I've never played in one. Might try and get one event in this format on the Moate calendar for next year.

Rikand

Should be a quicker format of the game than both stableford and stroke too.

Once you've hit the number of shots for your bogey, you can just pick up and move on

PARlance

Wichita Lineman wrote: »

I've never played in one. Might try and get one event in this format on the Moate calendar for next year.

Well worth a shot but it's not the most popular of formats in my experience.

Senecio

PARlance wrote: »

Well worth a shot but it's not the most popular of formats in my experience.

It's not that popular because people feel they're not being rewarded for good holes. Typically the higher handicaps who feel like they need a 4-pointer on the card to cancel out the scratches.

kiers47

Senecio wrote: »

It's not that popular because people feel they're not being rewarded for good holes. Typically the higher handicaps who feel like they need a 4-pointer on the card to cancel out the scratches.

Surely the result is the same.
If you have a 4 pointer on the first and scratch the second you are level for your handicap.
If you beat par at the first and scratch the second in v par you are still level.

Russman

kiers47 wrote: »

Surely the result is the same.
If you have a 4 pointer on the first and scratch the second you are level for your handicap.
If you beat par at the first and scratch the second in v par you are still level.

Yes, but you might get one point on a hole in stableford, whereas that's still a loss in V Par.

kiers47

Russman wrote: »

Yes, but you might get one point on a hole in stableford, whereas that's still a loss in V Par.

Fair enough usually 4/5 up will win a v-par event in my home course even 3 up won one last year.

You may have a chance of winning a stableford event with a 42 but most likely will need 43.

So the winning scores tend to be lower.

I kind of like the format to be honest i always seem to go well in them.

Russman

kiers47 wrote: »

Fair enough usually 4/5 up will win a v-par event in my home course even 3 up won one last year.

You may have a chance of winning a stableford event with a 42 but most likely will need 43.

So the winning scores tend to be lower.

I kind of like the format to be honest i always seem to go well in them.

I like it too, on the basis that the majority in my club only want stableford, I think V Par is a nice compromise.

Seve OB

kiers47 wrote: »

Surely the result is the same.
If you have a 4 pointer on the first and scratch the second you are level for your handicap.
If you beat par at the first and scratch the second in v par you are still level.

ah but if you had a 3 pointer on the first and a scratch on the second you would still be level v par, but one down on points.


I like the format. its different. matchplay basically, something we generally don't get enough of