Lack of social segregation in Dublin's gay scene

Abetterman

Okay, here goes. The thing is, I have issues with the lack of social barriers in the gay scene in general but particularly Dublin. I am from a good part of Dublin, went to a fee paying school, am university educated to master’s level and have a great and privileged life – some inherited but mostly earned. My problem is that when I go out on the scene in Dublin, I am put into the same environment as hairdressers from Tallaght or make-up artists from Ballyfermot. I’ve nothing against those people, but they are not for me. The main issue is that this is something my straight friends and family don’t have to contend with, e.g. when my sister goes out, she can choose to go to a bar where primarily people like her go to and she knows that she can engage with similar minds. Obviously Dublin is small and doesn’t have the range of scene segregation that New York has for example. Whilst this may be a controversial post and I’ll be labelled a snob for thinking like this, it is valid. My friends and I all agree on this one and I’d be interested to know if we are the only ones thinking this. Thanks in advance.

eviltwin

Why is it an issue? If you are going out to hook up then move along if the individual isn't for you. If it's just to socialise and have a night out then why does it matter if the people in the venue are hairdressers or students or unemployed or whatever? I think you are making a problem where none exists. I've always found the lack of pretensions in the gay scene here to be a positive thing.

sierraecho

Not sure I understood your post correctly, Do you mean to say that there isn't a pubs/clubs that caters for the different subcultures within the LGBT community i.e. Bears?

Abetterman

sierraecho wrote: »

Not sure I understood your post correctly, Do you mean to say that there isn't a pubs/clubs that caters for the different subcultures within the LGBT community i.e. Bears?

No, no. my issue is that i am an educated professional and i prefer to mix with the same type of people. I just don't feel comfortable with hair dresser types and (sorry to be so blunt) "how yas".

eezipc

Are we going to have to vote on another referendum?

sierraecho

Abetterman wrote: »

No, no. my issue is that i am an educated professional and i prefer to mix with the same type of people. I just don't feel comfortable with hair dresser types and (sorry to be so blunt) "how yas".

Oh I see what you mean. It's a class issue.

Well IMHO this doesn't bother me but like all bar/clubs on the scene, these are inclusive to everyone gay, straight, or "hairdresser" as you put it.

I'm sure there is a number of exclusive upmarket bars in Dublin that are welcoming of members of the LGBT community also.

david75

I'm trying quite hard to understand your post in such a way that i'm not interpreting it as screaming obnoxious snobbery...trying and failing.

ongarboy

I'm not going to call you a troll or snob or anything else. However, I am very sad for you that you can only define people by how much they earn, their post code, their occupation, the prestige of their educational institutions or qualifications, or simply put, their socio-economic demographic.


You really are denying yourself the wonderful experience of meeting fantastic and diverse people from all walks of life by restricting yourself to such shallow and hollow barriers. I think the diverse mix of people on the scene in Dublin is one of my favourite elements of the scene. I have made many great and solid friendships with people from urban and rural Ireland, immigrants, students and tourists from abroad as well as people from working, middle and upper (if such exists in Ireland?) classes. Usually, I'll find common ground with them on a whole variety of things from TV shows, music, sports, current affairs, what makes us tick, aspirations, regrets, romance, pros and cons of life etc. Their demographic (which is so sadly critical to you) rarely comes into it even if we come from completely different backgrounds. I'd most likely never have met or made friends with any of these people if I held such prejudicial views as you do.

I'm not sure why this is a pressing issue for you if you say you and "all your friends" think that way. Surely then, you've enough other like minded people living in your bubble to carry on that way? I would be against segregation but if there were a lot of people like you out there with that mindset (thankfully I've rarely come across such an extremely negative or borderline incitement to hatred type view), then maybe segregating you and your ilk to your own little ivory towers mightn't be such a bad thing!

Abetterman

sierraecho wrote: »

Oh I see what you mean. It's a class issue.

Well IMHO this doesn't bother me but like all bar/clubs on the scene, these are inclusive to everyone gay, straight, or "hairdresser" as you put it.

I'm sure there is a number of exclusive upmarket bars in Dublin that are welcoming of members of the LGBT community also.

I just wish there was the population for an upmarket gay bar. Or at least have a professionals night. An elitesingles.com themed night or something. Gay men only of a certain calibre.

eviltwin

This thread just proves that you can't buy or teach class.

Adoolan85

Abetterman wrote: »

Okay, here goes. The thing is, I have issues with the lack of social barriers in the gay scene in general but particularly Dublin. I am from a good part of Dublin, went to a fee paying school, am university educated to master’s level and have a great and privileged life – some inherited but mostly earned. My problem is that when I go out on the scene in Dublin, I am put into the same environment as hairdressers from Tallaght or make-up artists from Ballyfermot. I’ve nothing against those people, but they are not for me. The main issue is that this is something my straight friends and family don’t have to contend with, e.g. when my sister goes out, she can choose to go to a bar where primarily people like her go to and she knows that she can engage with similar minds. Obviously Dublin is small and doesn’t have the range of scene segregation that New York has for example. Whilst this may be a controversial post and I’ll be labelled a snob for thinking like this, it is valid. My friends and I all agree on this one and I’d be interested to know if we are the only ones thinking this. Thanks in advance.

Perhaps you could use your masters level, university education and privileged life to open your very own venue. Ban people from Tallaght, Ballyfermot and any other areas you feel would be incompatible with your desired environment.

See how that works out for you.
:rolleyes:

eezipc

Adoolan85 wrote: »

Abetterman wrote: »

Okay, here goes. The thing is, I have issues with the lack of social barriers in the gay scene in general but particularly Dublin. I am from a good part of Dublin, went to a fee paying school, am university educated to master s level and have a great and privileged life some inherited but mostly earned. My problem is that when I go out on the scene in Dublin, I am put into the same environment as hairdressers from Tallaght or make-up artists from Ballyfermot. I ve nothing against those people, but they are not for me. The main issue is that this is something my straight friends and family don t have to contend with, e.g. when my sister goes out, she can choose to go to a bar where primarily people like her go to and she knows that she can engage with similar minds. Obviously Dublin is small and doesn t have the range of scene segregation that New York has for example. Whilst this may be a controversial post and I ll be labelled a snob for thinking like this, it is valid. My friends and I all agree on this one and I d be interested to know if we are the only ones thinking this. Thanks in advance.

Perhaps you could use your masters level, university education and privileged life to open your very own venue. Ban people from Tallaght, Ballyfermot and any other areas you feel would be incompatible with your desired environment.

See how that works out for you.
:rolleyes:

Where does Mayo stand in the class levels? Or is that a whole different kettle of fish?

Abetterman

Mr.S wrote: »

Also OP, 90% sure you are a troll but i'll bite, if you want to mingle with gay "upperclass" then try the private clubs/bars. eg The private upper members bar in Lillies do be full of gays!

I'm not trying to offend anyone and sorry if i did. I just believe that many more people think this but don't say it because it may seem a little un-PC.

bigpink

Abetterman wrote: »

Okay, here goes. The thing is, I have issues with the lack of social barriers in the gay scene in general but particularly Dublin. I am from a good part of Dublin, went to a fee paying school, am university educated to master’s level and have a great and privileged life – some inherited but mostly earned. My problem is that when I go out on the scene in Dublin, I am put into the same environment as hairdressers from Tallaght or make-up artists from Ballyfermot. I’ve nothing against those people, but they are not for me. The main issue is that this is something my straight friends and family don’t have to contend with, e.g. when my sister goes out, she can choose to go to a bar where primarily people like her go to and she knows that she can engage with similar minds. Obviously Dublin is small and doesn’t have the range of scene segregation that New York has for example. Whilst this may be a controversial post and I’ll be labelled a snob for thinking like this, it is valid. My friends and I all agree on this one and I’d be interested to know if we are the only ones thinking this. Thanks in advance.

Not gay but i understand what you mean not chavs or trashy gay people.Have a friend who says the same

Abetterman

eezipc wrote: »

Where does Mayo stand in the class levels? Or is that a whole different kettle of fish?

What does Mayo have to do with this?

dar100

How ya buddy!!

I'm one of those "types" you speak of. However, and get this, I've also a Master degree, own home etc.

The thing with education is, well, anyone can do it, like how hard is it to parrot back what's in a book? In fact, all education really is, is an extension of the LC. A memory test, throw in some critical thinking and bobs your uncle.

That said, education is not really the issue here, what we have is the typical and also stereotype of the gay man who is extremely egotistical and narssisistic 😄
Apologies I don't intend to tar you all with the same brush, cos that would be just wrong, and, well, just what you are doing right? 😄😄

eezipc

Abetterman wrote: »

eezipc wrote: »

Where does Mayo stand in the class levels? Or is that a whole different kettle of fish?

What does Mayo have to do with this?

Just curious as to what you are looking for. Are you looking for a gay bar that's full of privileged people from Dublin or would you be interested in a wealthy gay farmer from Leitrim?

david75

OP, there are any number of bars and clubs that you could approach to organise the type of night you're after..you'll effectively become a club promoter..

thing is i think you'd find there wouldnt be much interest in it...i mean how would you possibly advertise or market such a thing?

sierraecho

eezipc wrote: »

Abetterman wrote: »

eezipc wrote: »

Where does Mayo stand in the class levels? Or is that a whole different kettle of fish?

What does Mayo have to do with this?

Just curious as to what you are looking for. Are you looking for a gay bar that's full of privileged people from Dublin or would you be interested in a wealthy gay farmer from Leitrim?

Whatever abetterman thinks, Where's this wealthy gay farmer from Leitrim. I'd gladly go out and milk the cows with him every morning. :P

eezipc

sierraecho wrote: »

eezipc wrote: »

Abetterman wrote: »

eezipc wrote: »

Where does Mayo stand in the class levels? Or is that a whole different kettle of fish?

What does Mayo have to do with this?

Just curious as to what you are looking for. Are you looking for a gay bar that's full of privileged people from Dublin or would you be interested in a wealthy gay farmer from Leitrim?

Whatever abetterman thinks, Where's this wealthy gay farmer from Leitrim. I'd gladly go out and milk the cows with him every morning. :P

Ha, brilliant.
He's probably too busy avoiding posh Dubs.

Annasopra

Sorry op I do think this is trolling