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Who is liable?

  • 07-05-2016 6:39pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81 ✭✭


    Hi,

    Hypothetical question I can't find the answer to -

    Assuming Person A is the registered owner of a car, fully licensed.

    Person B is a Learner Driver, a named driver on the insurance of the car.

    Person B drives the car unaccompanied by a fully licensed driver, and is caught for doing so.

    Is Person A liable for conviction and penalty points because they allowed Person B to drive unaccompanied, or is Person B solely liable for his/her choice to drive unaccompanied?

    Cheers!


Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,691 ✭✭✭Lia_lia


    Person B is solely liable as far as I know. However, if person B is in an accident person A could have to claim on their insurance lose their no claims bonus etc..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81 ✭✭howtolive


    That does seem to make the most sense!


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,315 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    Again hypothetically, if the owner did not give permission for the car to be driven, has it not been taken without the owner's consent? Is the consent of the owner implied if the car is not stolen?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 597 ✭✭✭miece16


    if car is taken without consent, its considered stolen in the terms of the law


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,157 ✭✭✭✭Alanstrainor


    spurious wrote: »
    Again hypothetically, if the owner did not give permission for the car to be driven, has it not been taken without the owner's consent? Is the consent of the owner implied if the car is not stolen?

    The owner would have to proceed with making charges against them for taking the car without consent. Seems unlikely if this person is family/spouse.

    Learner driver is solely responsible for being stopped without a fully licensed driver.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81 ✭✭howtolive


    But if A (the car owner) is aware that B does not have a licensed driver to travel with, and is also aware that B is using the car, is A therefore not liable for at least facilitating B's offence?


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,360 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    howtolive wrote: »
    But if A (the car owner) is aware that B does not have a licensed driver to travel with, and is also aware that B is using the car, is A therefore not liable for at least facilitating B's offence?

    I don't think they become an accessory, which is my reading of the issue above. They are not really required to report it are they?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,805 ✭✭✭Rothmans


    howtolive wrote: »
    But if A (the car owner) is aware that B does not have a licensed driver to travel with, and is also aware that B is using the car, is A therefore not liable for at least facilitating B's offence?

    By that logic, if I were to lend you my car and you broke a red light, stop sign, speed limit etc I could be held liable for allowing you to commit an offence by allowing you to drive my car. The same applies to driving unaccompanied.
    It's not my responsibility to predict and prevent you from committing road traffic offences.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,401 ✭✭✭Nonoperational


    B


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