signed off work and out

marykitty47

Hi all quick question asking on behalf of a friend. She had a minor operation last week and was signed off work for 2 weeks due to the nature of her job manual. She was tagged in a photo on Saturday night and now the boss is saying she should not be out of she was off work. She wants drinking she attended a family do in a bar. Where does she stand here if she was signed off work by a doctor surely work don't have a leg to stand on

_Brian

marykitty47 wrote: »

Hi all quick question asking on behalf of a friend. She had a minor operation last week and was signed off work for 2 weeks due to the nature of her job manual. She was tagged in a photo on Saturday night and now the boss is saying she should not be out of she was off work. She wants drinking she attended a family do in a bar. Where does she stand here if she was signed off work by a doctor surely work don't have a leg to stand on

Just hot air really, if they were serious they would ask her to attend another doctor for a second opinion, that's really the only option they have.

That won't stop the manager forming an opinion though.. right or wrong that's one of the downsides to all this social media and the apparent need to share every possible event with the whole world.

I'd just say if they aren't happy with the cert provided then they should pay for another doctor/specialist to review her and give an opinion.

stoplooklisten

They can't really do anything other than make her to go to thier own doctor, but an impression has been formed.

el_gaucho

Sounds like nonsense from the manager. If she claimed to be dying sick and bedridden he would have a point, but that doesn't seem to be the case. Unless the photo shows her dancing after claiming to have a bad leg or the like then I don't see a problem. Just because you're off work doesn't mean you have to lock yourself in the house.

On another note, this is why I would never have a boss on FB, or allow myself to be "tagged".

Pygmy Shrew

If I was a work colleague of your friend and had extra work imposed on me due to her absence I'd be beyond annoyed to see that she's well enough to socialise but not well enough to attend work.

Wanderer78

thank god ive never had a fb account and never will. employers would wanna get over themselves

2RockMountain

Pygmy Shrew wrote: »

If I was a work colleague of your friend and had extra work imposed on me due to her absence I'd be beyond annoyed to see that she's well enough to socialise but not well enough to attend work.

Do you see the difference between an eight hour shift in work, and dropping into the pub for an hour to help a friend or family member celebrate and important event?

Being sick from work does not mean that you become a hermit.

mikeymouse

Did she just pop out , or was she out-out?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jP_brwVyvc

RossieMan

Not much they can do, but I'd say her chances of getting a promotion within the company/privileges will have completely gone.

If you're good enough to go out, you'd be good enough for work.

BreadnBuddha

RossieMan wrote: »

Not much they can do, but I'd say her chances of getting a promotion within the company/privileges will have completely gone.

Why? Because some gormless dope of a manager thinks being tagged in a photo means she's laughing all the way to the dance floor?

I expect people to work when they're in work. If they're not in work, what they do is none of my business.

stoplooklisten

BreadnBuddha wrote: »

... If they're not in work, what they do is none of my business.

This should be the way, but people insist on being facebook friends and crossing the work/friendship boundary. Whether it should or not, it does make others form opinions, good or bad.

BreadnBuddha

stoplooklisten wrote: »

This should be the way, but people insist on being facebook friends and crossing the work/friendship boundary. Whether it should or not, it does make others form opinions, good or bad.

Well, you can't fix stupid. It's a stupid thing to do, allowing work colleagues access to your supposedy private social network.

I refuse requests from anyone I work with, always. My time off is my time off, theirs is theirs.

The manager should know better also.

Stealthfins

RossieMan wrote:

If you're good enough to go out, you'd be good enough for work.

Would you suggest a tree surgeon or block layer to attend work a week or two after back surgery or hernia operation ?

RossieMan

Sure I'm sure they'd be grand.

Have a bit of cop on, we don't know the circumstances here. But don't be out parading yourself when you're off sick from work.

davo10

BreadnBuddha wrote: »

Why? Because some gormless dope of a manager thinks being tagged in a photo means she's laughing all the way to the dance floor?

I expect people to work when they're in work. If they're not in work, what they do is none of my business.

Contrary to what most people think, a medical cert does not excuse you from work, it explains why you are not at work. When you are working, what you do outside working hours is your business as long as it doesn't effect performance but when you are supposed to be unable to work due to a physical ailment, being pictured in a pub at night is a bit stupid.

The ops friend should explain that this was a family event, there is a good chance that this will be held against him/her job prospects.

jluv

I'm the type that wold have to be dying to be off work! However at one stage I had a Bakers Cyst on my knee that burst. OMG the pain! On crutches and certed out for 2 weeks.
However I was capable of attending a friends party on said crutches but due to the nature of my job would not have been able to attend work..
Depends on the circumstances I suppose..

livedadream

A doctor signed her of work, not life,

yes it pisses people off but if someone was off work on the sick with depression and you saw them with their partner at the cinema would you complain. no because they are signed off work, it doesnt mean they have to stay confined to their bed.

hardCopy

livedadream wrote: »

A doctor signed her of work, not life,

yes it pisses people off but if someone was off work on the sick with depression and you saw them with their partner at the cinema would you complain. no because they are signed off work, it doesnt mean they have to stay confined to their bed.

This absolutely. Let the doctor make a judgement on their fitness to work.

stoplooklisten

hardCopy wrote: »

This absolutely. Let the doctor make a judgement on their fitness to work.

A doctors note isn't a get out of jail free card.

http://employmentrightsireland.com/tag/sick-leave/
Do remember, though, that the decision to terminate the employment is yours to make, and you cannot hide behind the medical assessment and blame the doctor or try to pin the responsibility on him.

Hopefully, there will be no need to terminate and the employee can return to work.

She should ask her boss if he feels he's more qualified than her doctor/surgeon to decide when she's fit to return to a manual job after surgery, and also if the boss would be willing to stitch her up again should scar tissue burst open during the course of performing her regular duties!

hardCopy

stoplooklisten wrote: »

A doctors note isn't a get out of jail free card.

http://employmentrightsireland.com/tag/sick-leave/
Do remember, though, that the decision to terminate the employment is yours to make, and you cannot hide behind the medical assessment and blame the doctor or try to pin the responsibility on him.

Hopefully, there will be no need to terminate and the employee can return to work.

True but if the employee was to be terminated due to being medically unable to perform their duties then their presence at a party should have no bearing on this.

Unless they were spotted limbo dancing.

Liamario

I have to imagine that it depends on the nature of the illness/surgery.

stoplooklisten

hardCopy wrote: »

True but if the employee was to be terminated due to being medically unable to perform their duties then their presence at a party should have no bearing on this.

Unless they were spotted limbo dancing.

How about the conga? It the line drawn at row your boat?
:pac:

Shelflife

It looks bad pure and simple, allied to the fact that you can get a doctors cert in most cases pretty easily for a week or two and it doesnt paint a good picture.

Speedwell

Yeah, what happened to "I'm glad you're feeling better faster than you thought; can you come back to work a few days earlier or are you still not well enough"? Jumping to conclusions is not the sport of decent, kind, intelligent people. If her boss isn't a doctor, he has no business diagnosing her state of health from a picture. And if he is a doctor, he'll know better than to try.

Shint0

In this case reported in the news today where the lady was spotted by private investigators attending a concert the judge said it was of no relevance and accepted her claim that she was still in pain while attending the concert.

http://m.rte.ie/news/2016/0506/786601-grapes/

When people are claiming Illness Benefit they are still allowed two weeks holiday per year and receive payment.