Nct change cert date

patrickc

Another nct question I know. My nct was due 29/8/16 car is a 2006 so I put in before the 90 days to get the2 year cert. After a retest I passed today and the cert was only for one year. I queried it the guy counted back 90 days from August and said that should be two years. He rang the office who said my car is originally a jap import which it isn't and that it was originally registered in February 06. Its always been August it's tested. It's a uk import., Have I grounds to appeal this? I wouldn't have tested early otherwise.
Cheers in advance

Cee-Jay-Cee

Of course you have but are you sure it's not actually a Japanese import even though you bought it from the Uk. It could have been imported to the UK from Japan originally. What make/model is it?

If you feel they're incorrect, appeal it and provide all the necessary paperwork to support your claim.

Atlantic Dawn

What is the date of first registration on the vehicle licencing cert/logbook?

patrickc

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

Of course you have but are you sure it's not actually a Japanese import even though you bought it from the Uk. It could have been imported to the UK from Japan originally. What make/model is it?

If you feel they're incorrect, appeal it and provide all the necessary paperwork to support your claim.

it's a standard accord tourer.

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

What is the date of first registration on the vehicle licencing cert/logbook?

that's February 2006 but the NCT has always been August on it, why would they suddenly revert back to February?
date of first registration in Ireland is August 2012

CiniO

patrickc wrote: »

it's a standard accord tourer.


that's February 2006 but the NCT has always been August on it, why would they suddenly revert back to February?
date of first registration in Ireland is August 2012

They didn't revert to february.

Car was first regietered on February 2006, so at the moment you did voluntary early test (today) car was over 10 years old. That's all what matters. Nothing you can do about it.

Del2005

patrickc wrote: »

it's a standard accord tourer.



that's February 2006 but the NCT has always been August on it, why would they suddenly revert back to February?
date of first registration in Ireland is August 2012

They've been testing you on the wrong date since it was imported. It's always supposed to be date of first registration in whichever country it was first registered.

CiniO

Del2005 wrote: »

They've been testing you on the wrong date since it was imported. It's always supposed to be date of first registration in whichever country it was first registered.

That's not true.
Since 2011 afair, NCT on imported cars runs from date of import.

F.e. if you import car first registered January 2010, and VRT it tomorrow (4th May 2016), NCT will become due from 4th May 2016, and once you pass NCT, it will be valid until 3rd May 2018, even though car is first registered in January 2010.

Before 2011, it was different - as you said - NCT due date was always associated with anniversary of first reg.
Which led to insane scenarios, where someone could have imported car f.e. from April 2004, and register/VRT it on 2nd January 2010. That way car would be due NCT straight away from 2nd January, but once passed the test would be only valid until April 2010- so just over 3 months.
This nonsense was thankfully sorted out.

Probably another 20-30 years, and most other nonsenses of Irish motoring will also be sorted. I'm positive about that.

JohnBoy26

Del2005 wrote: »

They've been testing you on the wrong date since it was imported. It's always supposed to be date of first registration in whichever country it was first registered.

As cinio says that's incorrect. It goes by date of first registration in Ireland. That's the way it's always been.

CiniO

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

As cinio says that's incorrect. It goes by date of first registration in Ireland. That's the way it's always been.

Not always.
It only changed around 2011 I think.
After 2010 anyway - as car I imported in 2010, got NCT in line with first registration date (not date of import).

JohnBoy26

patrickc wrote: »

Another nct question I know. My nct was due 29/8/16 car is a 2006 so I put in before the 90 days to get the2 year cert. After a retest I passed today and the cert was only for one year. I queried it the guy counted back 90 days from August and said that should be two years. He rang the office who said my car is originally a jap import which it isn't and that it was originally registered in February 06. Its always been August it's tested. It's a uk import., Have I grounds to appeal this? I wouldn't have tested early otherwise.
Cheers in advance

I once went in for a test that I should of got for free because they couldn't accomodate me within 4 weeks (I hadn't accepted a date outside the 28 day window) but was charged for it regardless at the test centre. When I rang them and queried this and how it was against what's in their charter I was given every excuse under the sun as to why I was charged. This dragged on for nearly a month with me endlessly calling them before they eventually conceded and gave me a refund. It should of only taken one call but every time I rang I was either promised a call back or given a new excuse.

My experience of them has been that they are very difficult to deal with if you have a problem. In my experience they will try to wriggle out of anything even if you are in the right.

My advice is to stick to your guns and keep on to them if you feel you are in the right.

JohnBoy26

CiniO wrote: »

Not always.
It only changed around 2011 I think.
After 2010 anyway - as car I imported in 2010, got NCT in line with first registration date (not date of import).

I don't know how that is. Any import I've seen has gone by the date they've been registered here. Even the import I had was registered here in august 2007 and got an august nct date. I think it was first registered in march 97 in the UK.

GM228

Just to clarify, NCT due date on an import is based on the anniversary of the import date but only if the car is 4 years or older at the time it was first registered here, if the age of the car was 4 years or less at the time it was first registered here then the NCT is due based on the age of the car (i.e the first registration irrespective of country of current registration) and not the import date.

As the OPs car was 6 years old at the time of registration the NCT due date was correct for August, after 10 years of age NCT certs are valid for 1 year but the valid to date should still be August, not February as per the relevant SI which states:

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2014/si/322/made/en/print

(I) until the tenth anniversary of its first registration or entry into service, as the case may be and as determined when the vehicle is first registered in the State, each subsequent biennial of that date, and

(II) from the tenth anniversary of its first registration or entry into service, as the case may be and as determined when the vehicle is first registered in the State, each subsequent anniversary of that date.

OP I suggest you contact the NCT and point out as per Section 3 (2)(b) of the current regulations your NCT valid to date should be August 2017 as it is determined by the date of first registration in the state date for vehicles older than 4 years.

EDIT-

OP I just noticed you say your NCT was due 29/8/16, a voluntary retest done yesterday would only have been valid for a test due on or before 2/8/16.

If that's the case then you didn't qualify for a voluntary retest and as a result the NCT have defaulted it back to the first registration date, but technically they should not have tested the car in the first place as it wasn't shouldn't be tested until at least 30/5/16 based on the voluntary retest timeframe.

savagethegoat

I should ask them to scrub that cert altogether as it was not within the regs and ask them to repeat the test (free) next month.

patrickc

thanks everyone, I've loads to look into so. I'll do it this evening/tomorrow just don't have a chance today. appreciate the info

patrickc

I got a letter Friday they are amending my cert as a gesture of goodwill!!
will get the two years though

savagethegoat

that's great news. It does make me wonder though whether a commercial company has the power to do this.

CiniO

savagethegoat wrote: »

that's great news. It does make me wonder though whether a commercial company has the power to do this.

Seems bizarre that they do...