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Ice-ing of SCPs

  • 30-04-2016 2:31pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,702 ✭✭✭✭


    I'm sitting in the car watching the complete uselessness of putting SCPs in busy carparks. ( bull ring wexford ) Unless there is draconian policing the whole policy needs review . Just slapping these chargers into the ground and then ignoring the whole purpose is ridiculous


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,597 ✭✭✭gctest50


    They need rising bollards in front of them




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,702 ✭✭✭✭BoatMad


    In fairness as I left the warden started ticketing the errant ice


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,188 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    What about if EV owners, or any concerned member of the public, was allowed to take a picture of offending cars and email them to an authority, who could in turn issue fixed penalty notices to the registered owner of the ICE?

    Surely that would work?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,702 ✭✭✭✭BoatMad


    NIMAN wrote: »
    What about if EV owners, or any concerned member of the public, was allowed to take a picture of offending cars and email them to an authority, who could in turn issue fixed penalty notices to the registered owner of the ICE?

    Surely that would work?

    I doubt the law supports that action


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,170 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    It doesn't or we cyclists would have a field day with all the blocked QBCs in Dublin.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,989 ✭✭✭stesaurus


    They've introduced that for disabled spaces recently or was I dreaming of that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,702 ✭✭✭✭BoatMad


    s.welstead wrote: »
    They've introduced that for disabled spaces recently or was I dreaming of that.

    Actually , yes you're right , there a text number where you can " inform " on users using disabled bays.

    So contrary to what I said . No reason it can't be used in EV bays.

    Text " 51xxx" to rat out that ice " sort of thing


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,188 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Things can always be introduced.

    If people have no fear of parking in a disabled spot or an EV charging space, they will.

    Give them a reason not to.


  • Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    BoatMad wrote: »
    Actually , yes you're right , there a text number where you can " inform " on users using disabled bays.

    So contrary to what I said . No reason it can't be used in EV bays.

    Text " 51xxx" to rat out that ice " sort of thing

    What about evs that take up the charger for the day?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,702 ✭✭✭✭BoatMad


    What about evs that take up the charger for the day?

    In the long term. That's better handled electronically , the scp should have clear idiot lights , whereby a warden can see that the charge cycle is over and after a grace period , issue you with a parking ticket. ( or you text the 51xxx informer number to say the same etc ).

    A few 80 euro fines and EV users would get the message


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,989 ✭✭✭stesaurus


    What about evs that take up the charger for the day?

    Same but a clear appeals process and a little grace period. Charger could be faulty and stop early before someone could be back. Or maybe in the cinema and might be back in a few mins after finishing.
    Unless it's a destination scp at a train station or Luas. They should be allowed park all day. You can't be expected to leave work to move your car.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 577 ✭✭✭simdan




    Last last week at the airport.. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,702 ✭✭✭✭BoatMad


    I actually now feel the policy of road side SCPs is fundamentally flawed. Enclosed destination charging like hotels etc are valid , but roadside scp is a truely flawed concept.

    Fcps will provide the necessary charging for EVs , SCPs are unnecessary


  • Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    SCP's are highly useful for me with the 6.6 Kw charger, but as batteries get much larger in Kwh I think most SCP's will be redundant/obsolete. People will want to charge that 60+ Kwh battery as fast as possible.

    I doubt the ESB will install many more AC points because the future is much faster DC charging but if the Government don't provide funding then the infrastructure in Ireland will be very far behind.

    Even if they do approve funding it would be debated for months and take months for any money to become available, then months for sites to be negotiated and then the time to order the chargers and have them installed/commissioned etc. So we're already at the point of well behind. Then how do you justify expanding a network that will cost millions for 0.4% of all new car sales ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,702 ✭✭✭✭BoatMad


    SCP's are highly useful for me with the 6.6 Kw charger, but as batteries get much larger in Kwh I think most SCP's will be redundant/obsolete. People will want to charge that 60+ Kwh battery as fast as possible.

    I doubt the ESB will install many more AC points because the future is much faster DC charging but if the Government don't provide funding then the infrastructure in Ireland will be very far behind.
    I agree entirely

    Even if they do approve funding it would be debated for months and take months for any money to become available, then months for sites to be negotiated and then the time to order the chargers and have them installed/commissioned etc. So we're already at the point of well behind. Then how do you justify expanding a network that will cost millions for 0.4% of all new car sales ?


    You justify it , by looking at incentivising the process so that so get EVs to be 40 % , it has been done in Norway , so the precedent exists. It's not pie in the sky

    Governments can be convinced to support long term initiatives , EVs users need to band together and become politically active.

    We must push our cause at every opportunity

    We can win


  • Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    See there's a big problem with this, No1, This is Ireland with very different opinions, Irish people are obsessed with diesel and range and I can't see many people considering EV until the range is at least at a real 300 kms and I don't think all the incentives will change this but prove me wrong.

    Free tolls is a good starting point !

    I think people are quiet happy and willing to spend up to 50 odd Euro's a week in petrol/diesel. Certainly the 30 Kwh Leaf if far more capable than most people give it credit for but not everyone likes the leaf no matter how cheap it is or how many incentives, this is Problem No.2 lack of choice.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,702 ✭✭✭✭BoatMad


    See there's a big problem with this, No1, This is Ireland with very different opinions, Irish people are obsessed with diesel and range and I can't see many people considering EV until the range is at least at a real 300 kms and I don't think all the incentives will change this but prove me wrong.

    Free tolls is a good starting point !

    I think people are quiet happy and willing to spend up to 50 odd Euro's a week in petrol/diesel. Certainly the 30 Kwh Leaf if far more capable than most people give it credit for but not everyone likes the leaf no matter how cheap it is or how many incentives, this is Problem No.2 lack of choice.


    The statistics for Ireland show two unusual behaviours

    The first is that Diesel users , have considerably higher annual mileage over their petrol counterparts , (14.5K compared to 11K)

    Diesel owners here in fact do more mile per head then the US ( 13.7K for the US)

    And the second fact is the fact that 70% of car owners in ireland are Diesel , a feature shared only with Portugal


    SO the facts dont suggest that Irish diesel owners are concerned with Range ( because they can get similar range with modern petrols )

    They are clearly concerned , because they do one of the worlds highest mileage in the COST of that travel. specifically the cost per mile


    EVs once we have a minimum range that allow the user to do a reasonable journey is capable of offering a much lower costs per mile

    Thats very attractive to the Irish diesel owner , as thats the reason he or she bought a diesel in the first place


    Hence to build up EVs, the key headline attraction would be to subside running costs in an interim period , say 5 years, until EVs are more capable

    Other minor incentives could easily be added, reduced tolls, access to bus lanes etc


    All these incentives are then phased out when the numbers build


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,188 ✭✭✭k123456


    BoatMad wrote: »

    All these incentives are then phased out when the numbers build
    Add your reply here. This has happened (to a limited extent) in Norway recently


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,702 ✭✭✭✭BoatMad


    k123456 wrote: »
    Add your reply here. This has happened (to a limited extent) in Norway recently

    yes Norway had a very successful incentive programme, and now EVs are 40% of all new cars purchased. hence the reduction in incentives ( which is right and proper )


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,326 ✭✭✭waraf


    BoatMad wrote: »
    Actually , yes you're right , there a text number where you can " inform " on users using disabled bays.

    I haven't heard of this. Do you have a link by any chance l?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,702 ✭✭✭✭BoatMad


    waraf wrote: »
    I haven't heard of this. Do you have a link by any chance l?

    I saw the number on a disabled sign in dun laoghaire above the space


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,326 ✭✭✭waraf


    BoatMad wrote: »
    I saw the number on a disabled sign in dun laoghaire above the space

    On-street parking or private (eg shopping centre) parking?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,702 ✭✭✭✭BoatMad


    waraf wrote: »
    On-street parking or private (eg shopping centre) parking?

    on street , If I remember it was on marine road


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,326 ✭✭✭waraf


    BoatMad wrote: »
    on street , If I remember it was on marine road

    Thanks I'll check that out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,702 ✭✭✭✭BoatMad


    waraf wrote: »
    Thanks I'll check that out.

    black writing on white metal sign seperate from the disabled signage ( i.e. as if added later)

    said something like

    Abuse? , phone xxxxxxx


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