Hyundai to launch all-electric SUV in 2018

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1103612_hyundai-to-launch-all-electric-suv-in-2018-with-200-mile-range

Now we're talking. If they can get the price right I would seriously consider it.

This is what we need, more choice.

BoatMad

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http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1103612_hyundai-to-launch-all-electric-suv-in-2018-with-200-mile-range

Now we're talking. If they can get the price right I would seriously consider it.

This is what we need, more choice.

That's 200 mile on the Korean test cycle , around 140 on the EPA cycle compared to the current 107 mile EPA for the 30kw leaf, hardly revolutionary for a 2018 model

Water John

Once there is more coming into the market, I am happy.
Range will be resolved in a short time.
There very credible manufacturers and build everything from scratch.

This will help 'normalise' EV.

BoatMad

BoatMad wrote: »

That's 200 mile on the Korean test cycle , around 140 on the EPA cycle compared to the current 107 mile EPA for the 30kw leaf, hardly revolutionary for a 2018 model

They also announced a larger 300 mile pack may be available also.

At a good price that would be very revolutionary.

By then though who'd buy the Ioniq EV with 28 Kwh that's also due around 2018 ? they'd be mad not to have a larger battery by then.

Water John

Water John wrote: »

Once there is more coming into the market, I am happy.
Range will be resolved in a short time.
There very credible manufacturers and build everything from scratch.

This will help 'normalise' EV.

Yes , there needs to be much more choice in EV vehicles.

BoatMad

I think we will see a huge rush to market by 2018 in EVs. The thing is the public charging infrastructure will be way under resourced in my opinion

Water John

It won't be as important once cars have range to do redeye journeys from home.
A quick way would be to put the chargers near ESB substations that are near most towns.
As security put CCTV on all those areas, considering what happened in Dublin last week.

Water John

Water John wrote: »

As security put CCTV on all those areas, considering what happened in Dublin last week.

What happened ?

Water John

The substation fire caused by guys trying to steal copper.
An aside. Integrated solutions.

Oh that !

thierry14

BoatMad wrote: »

I think we will see a huge rush to market by 2018 in EVs. The thing is the public charging infrastructure will be way under resourced in my opinion

Think the same

Tesla are gong to get trampled by Germans, Koreans, Japs etc.

They will have similar if not better spec machines out before they have the model 3 in mass production.

Great for the consumer, not so great for Tesla.

BoatMad

thierry14 wrote: »

Think the same

Tesla are gong to get trampled by Germans, Koreans, Japs etc.

They will have similar if not better spec machines out before they have the model 3 in mass production.

Great for the consumer, not so great for Tesla.

Indeed , I believe tesla may go the way of the IBM PC. Their only hope is to be a big auto player by the time the market explodes and the big boys start releasing mainstream EVs

The window is closing rapidly on musk

Tesla have nothing to fear for some time because the Big Auto companies are making much larger profits on ancient ICE tech than Tesla and have far less desire to make proper electric cars.

BoatMad

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Tesla have nothing to fear for some time because the Big Auto companies are making much larger profits on ancient ICE tech than Tesla and have far less desire to make proper electric cars.

which is belied by the fact that virtually single one of them have announced EV strategies or actual models.

Tesla has everything to fear from the germans , because they fear tesla

http://www.sltrib.com/home/2966903-155/why-tesla-should-fear-german-carmakers

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-09-18/german-electric-vehicles-poised-to-challenge-tesla

http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/03/18/the-germans-are-coming-for-tesla-motors.aspx

http://phys.org/news/2015-09-german-automakers-tesla-electric-cars.html


I think the industry analysis might be more reilable then your views Madlad :pac:

BoatMad

BoatMad wrote: »

I think the industry analysis might be more reilable then your views Madlad :pac:

The industry analysis is all Bullcrap until they all have a Tesla Model S equivalent actually on the road.

To be able to make profit with BEVs all hinges on the price and availability of batteries to the prospective maker. Everything else is easy to solve in comparison. Nissan and Tesla are at advantage there.

BoatMad

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The industry analysis is all Bullcrap until they all have a Tesla Model S equivalent actually on the road.

I think we will see a huge response from germany over the next 3-4 years, The US market is a key strategic areas for them and they are loosing considerable market share to Tesla. Now as Tesla expand aggressively in Europe , they can be expected to loose similar market shares there also.

SO the argument that they are making lots of profit to bother with tesla, doesnt stand to inspection

They will HAVE to respond to Tesla, and they will other wise they will be gone

I fully expect to see BMW and Mercedes and Porsche bring EVs too market in the next 3-4 years. They know they have a window in the Model 3 timescales ( and Teslas will undoubtably struggle to produce the numbers )


The luxury EV market is probably the easiest to enter for the Germans as they have the distribution , the brand , and the customer base

interesting times , I dont think Tesla will have this space to themselves for very much longer ( and they know it , which is what you are seeing the Model 3)

BoatMad

samih wrote: »

To be able to make profit with BEVs all hinges on the price and availability of batteries to the prospective maker. Everything else is easy to solve in comparison. Nissan and Tesla are at advantage there.

currently there is over capacity in Li production

both LG and panasonic themselves are major players , Nissan is buying from LG and not making their own as I understand it

BoatMad

BoatMad wrote: »

currently there is over capacity in Li production

both LG and panasonic themselves are major players , Nissan is buying from LG and not making their own as I understand it

At the moment there may be over capacity but the demand for batteries will sky rocket with all these millions of planned BEVs. Million cars a year will use the same number of cells as 8 billion mobile phones, roughly. As Nissan have 3 x battery factories they'll probably license the technology from LG but I would be really surprised if they didn't build the cells inhouse.

BoatMad

BoatMad wrote: »

SO the argument that they are making lots of profit to bother with tesla, doesnt stand to inspection

Oh it sure does, remember the ICE makers are far more profitable because they make non luxury cars and can be bought much, much cheaper and this is where the majority of their income comes from.

Perhaps BMW might make a model S equivalent by 2020, great, the more the better.

jimmycrackcorm

BoatMad wrote:

I think the industry analysis might be more reilable then your views Madlad

I believe industry analysts once thought that Ryanair wouldn't survive against the traditional airlines.

samih

samih wrote: »

but I would be really surprised if they didn't build the cells inhouse.

They do build them in house.

BoatMad

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They do build them in house.

correct , and I was wrong that the 30 kw was LG tech, it looks as if sunderland will built all future Nissan batteries at present

http://europe.autonews.com/article/20160121/ANE/160129975/nissan-will-produce-leafs-new-advanced-batteries-in-uk

Deleted User

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samih wrote: »

but I would be really surprised if they didn't build the cells inhouse.

They do build them in house

They do, the current tech developed with NEC. What I meant is that as Nissan already has 3 x working battery factories it will probably continue to build their own cells in the future too regardless whose technology they'll license.