Abolish 2 tier car tax system - petition

The12thMan

log on and agree, if you agree

https://www.change.org/p/rirish-car-tax-law-is-grossly-unfair-unjust-and-offensive?recruiter=502818959&utm_campaign=signature_receipt&utm_medium=email&utm_source=share_petition

coylemj

Complete waste of time - who do they think is going to pay any heed to an online petition about tax?

MarkAnthony

TBH I'm put off petitions and such as soon as they start the hyperbole. Offensive? How. Is **** in the title?

esforum

lots of countries have car tax, lots and lots

bazz26

Nothing changes the world like an online petition!

colm_mcm

Sub 8 year old car FTW
Chape tax for all

biko

I see this petition is still going after all these years.
It was first posted in Motors in 2013...

mickdw

Given that 08 cars on the co2 system can be purchased for small money, I don't think the argument in general holds water now.
I do believe that there should be a change made to make big older cars viable instead of dumping them.
Nothing green about dumping perfectly good cars.

kirving

I'm on the fence about it. My car is an 08, but taxed on the CC system. People's perceptions about the value of lower tax per annum meant that my car lost a load of value before I bought it, so I feel I got a good deal.

Since I own it now, I obviously would like the lower tax.

Had I bought it new in 08 though, I would be seriously pissed off at the government.

Guy:Incognito

If i was to say something like "typically, a pre 08 car is 2litre" , that would be a bit of a silly statement. Which is why picking a cost for one engine size and using it for comparisin because it sounds good is stupid. Id imagine the "typical" pre 08 car was somewhere in the 14.-1.8 range

Atlantic Dawn

It will only increase the price of the pre 2008 stuff which at the moment I am all over .Perhaps a €900 max on the larger engines when they hit 10 years old like the max on the trucks would be welcome.

Pugzilla

No, we should increase the tax and spend it on public transport.

Idbatterim

No, we should increase the tax and spend it on public transport.

I do think this should happen, well I would be for, nct on a yearly basis, including for cars 1 year old.

Also throw one hundred euro minimum onto the lower rates of motor tax on the emission system, certainly everything up to an including the E390 rate...

bear1

Idbatterim wrote: »

I do think this should happen, well I would be for, nct on a yearly basis, including for cars 1 year old.

Also throw one hundred euro minimum onto the lower rates of motor tax on the emission system, certainly everything up to an including the E390 rate...

Ehhh no.
So I buy a brand new car and after 1 year I should have it NCT'd? Nonsense.
And sure yeah, feck it 100e no bother there just lobbed onto the tax.
Why stop there? Maybe they should increase the tax they place on the fuel and increase insurance levies for the ****s and giggles.

Pugzilla

Look at the traffic every morning. Majority of 5 seater cars have only one person in them.

Madness.

bear1

Pugzilla wrote: »

Look at the traffic every morning. Majority of 5 seater cars have only one person in them.

Madness.

What has that got to do with motor tax?

Jayop

It's a pain in the bollocks when you're going to tax a pre 08 car, but it's great when you're going to buy one. Some great deals in older big engined cars, petrol especially because people don't want to pay the tax. Strangely though they'll pay 4 or 5 times more to buy a slightly newer car to save a bit on the tax which is madness but suits me to the ground.

Henry Ford III

I don't see the issue really.

Cars are expensive to buy and run. Pre 08 cars are cheaper and have higher annual road tax.

You can go for a lower tax 08 or later vehicle if you want, but it'll still cost you.

Or buy new and cough up thousands in VAT and VRT.

You pays your money and takes your choice.

Idbatterim

Henry Ford III wrote: »

I don't see the issue really.

Cars are expensive to buy and run. Pre 08 cars are cheaper and have higher annual road tax.

You can go for a lower tax 08 or later vehicle if you want, but it'll still cost you.

Or buy new and cough up thousands in VAT and VRT.

You pays your money and takes your choice.

exactly. We all know what the motor tax is before buying. Older luxury large engines car are as good as being given away... The emissions system isn't far from a decade old at this stage!!!

Pugzilla

bear1 wrote: »

What has that got to do with motor tax?

Demonstrates how inefficiently cars are used. Why higher motor taxes diverted to public transport is the logical solution.

Do I really have to spell this out for you? :rolleyes:

Kristopherus

Pugzilla wrote: »

Demonstrates how inefficiently cars are used. Why higher motor taxes diverted to public transport is the logical solution.

Do I really have to spell this out for you? :rolleyes:

How do you know they're not after doing a school run?

r3nu4l

Pugzilla wrote: »

Demonstrates how inefficiently cars are used. Why higher motor taxes diverted to public transport is the logical solution.

Do I really have to spell this out for you? :rolleyes:

I totally agree with your approach. Clear the roads of the slow drivers, those who don't understand lane discipline and general f***wits and put them on public transport! Leave the roads free for proper drivers... Or preferably just me. The rest of you can get the bus.

bear1

Pugzilla wrote: »

Demonstrates how inefficiently cars are used. Why higher motor taxes diverted to public transport is the logical solution.

Do I really have to spell this out for you? :rolleyes:

I think you need to spell it out for yourself.
Your post has nothing to do with tax rates.
If the rates were lower you'd still these things.
In your mind if I own a 5 seater car but its just me driving it then I'm not utilising the car to its full potential? Should people go and look for 4 people to fill it up?

Pugzilla

Kristopherus wrote: »

How do you know they're not after doing a school run?

Then let them pay their motor tax.

CJhaughey

Pugzilla wrote: »

Demonstrates how inefficiently cars are used. Why higher motor taxes diverted to public transport is the logical solution.

Do I really have to spell this out for you? :rolleyes:

Ok, Motor tax is raised, and the extra tax comes into the big pot that is used to pay down the debt.
Do you really see any politician spending it on Public transport?
I can't.

bear1

Pugzilla wrote: »

Then let them pay their motor tax.

What would be your proposal btw for the public transport?

Jayop

LIGHTNING wrote: »

Keep doing what they are currently doing, increasing the fares and decreasing the service. Quality stuff really :pac:

For years I've given out about Public Transport out West but I've started taking the bus to work 2/3 days a week. It's a fiver for about ten miles/minutes but I can't get it home again so I need a lift.

Not bad actually for where we are.

Cabaal

biko wrote: »

I see this petition is still going after all these years.
It was first posted in Motors in 2013...

Took them over 3 years to get 10k signatures and many of the comments on it aren't even from people in Ireland.
:rolleyes:

gb153

Not sure if this has been posted already but putting it out there if it hasn't.

https://www.change.org/p/unfair-car-tax-law

Don't know how much difference these online petitions make but worth a try

gctest50

gb153 wrote: »

Not sure if this has been posted already but putting it out there if it hasn't.

https://www.change.org/p/not_the_renua_shower_again

Don't know how much difference these online petitions make but worth a try

again ? all the way from 2013 ?

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056985545




miss the post above yours ?

Cabaal wrote: »

Took them over 3 years to get 10k signatures and many of the comments on it aren't even from people in Ireland.

gctest50

gb153 wrote: »

Not sure if this has been posted already but putting it out there if it hasn't.

https://www.change.org/p/not_again

Don't know how much difference these online petitions make but worth a try

Worthless, i just signed that with Boatymcboatface in the Antarctic

gb153

gctest50 wrote: »

again ? all the way from 2013 ?

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056985545




miss the post above yours ?

I actually started a new thread. Maybe a mod combined it?

Blazer

I picked up a coupe for travelling to work and have a jeep for the weekends for the kids etc.
My missus is ok with me flogging both and buying a newer car as she thinks that will be cheaper than having 2 cars
Since both of my cars are 07 they're worth about 15k in total and I'm thinking of getting a 2012 A6/520D estate which will obviously be cheaper than my 2 cars..I'm wondering if she thinks I'll get the car for free or something :P

Autosport

Where is this public transport you talk of? Is it just Dublin you're talking about?

OldMrBrennan83

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Del2005

Autosport wrote: »

Where is this public transport you talk of? Is it just Dublin you're talking about?

Public transport can't work outside the few cities we have due to out of control ribbon development.

Autosport

Pugzilla wrote: »

No, we should increase the tax and spend it on public transport.

Sorry should have quoted this in my last post.

biko

gb153 wrote: »

I actually started a new thread. Maybe a mod combined it?

I did yeah, yours is just one of many threads on this petition since 3/4 years or so.

Markcheese

biko wrote:

I did yeah, yours is just one of many threads on this petition since 3/4 years or so.

I just read your post as no,I didn't .But then I'm from cork so....

Has the overall motor tax take gone down much since pre 08 ? Cos most people are driving low co2, 1.6 diesels to get the low tax , i'm surprised we havent seen a major rise in tax on co2 in the last few years ....

Jesus.

Henry Ford III wrote: »

I don't see the issue really.Cars are expensive to buy and run. Pre 08 cars are cheaper and have higher annual road tax.You can go for a lower tax 08 or later vehicle if you want, but it'll still cost you.Or buy new and cough up thousands in VAT and VRT.You pays your money and takes your choice.

But that's just saying whatever system the Government gives us we should just cough up and be happy with it no matter how extortionate?

That's mad Ted

Henry Ford III

Jesus. wrote: »

But that's just saying whatever system the Government gives us we should just cough up and be happy with it no matter how extortionate?

That's mad Ted

What's the alternative? Nobody likes paying tax. So either pay it in high road tax, or pay it in high VAT/VRT.

Either way it's still high.

endacl

bazz26 wrote: »

Nothing changes the world like an online petition!

Online petitions me hole. Write up a good solid TwatBook profile and get people to share it if you want anything done. That's what cured cancer and sorted out that fecker in the white van who was snatching kids all over the place.

Also, whoever worded the petition thinks they're paying road tax.