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UK seeks to censor scientists that disagree with them

  • 24-04-2016 12:28pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭


    The UK government is putting forward a directive that scientists in receipt of government money should limit their outputs in towards those in favour of government policy. In another words scientific censorship. This is a frightening move and one that could impact anything ranging from healthcare to climate change. David Nutt who writes this opinion piece in the Guardian has experience with government censorship. He was commissioned by the government to objectively talk about the real dangers of drugs, published peer review data stating the dangers of drugs were exaggerated and threatened with sacking when the government didn't like his results. This is a bad move.
    UK seeks to censor scientists that disagree with them.
    One of the many frightening aspects of life under Joseph Stalin was the
    central direction of science
    by the Communist party. This led to
    egregious scientific data, disregarded in the west, but celebrated in the Soviet
    Union. One of the best examples was the nonsensical doctrine known as Lysenkoism,
    which rejected concepts such as genes and natural selection in favour of
    “natural cooperation” and the belief that physical changes imposed on one
    generation of organisms would pass down to the next – for example that plucking
    the leaves from a plant would encourage leaflessness in its descendants.
    Scientists who questioned the official view, such the geneticist Nikolai
    Vavilov
    , were denounced, exiled and in many cases sentenced to
    death.

    The British government now seems to be moving in the same direction, trying
    to limit scientific outputs to those that support its policies. Hard to believe?
    That’s the effect of a recent, largely misunderstood move by the Cabinet Office.
    When it announced plans
    to prevent any person or institution in receipt of government money from using
    those funds to argue
    (“lobby”, if you prefer) against official
    policy, this was widely interpreted as an attempt to silence unruly charities.
    As the minister Matthew Hancock put it, a clause to be inserted in new and
    renewed grant agreements would mean that “taxpayers won’t be made to foot the
    bill for political campaigning and political lobbying”.


    But the move has wider and even more worrying ramifications – it could
    significantly censor scientific debate. Almost all scientists in the UK get some
    form of funding from the government, which is most commonly in terms of salary
    from universities or the NHS, but can also be specific grant funding from
    government research charities such as the Medical
    Research Council
    or the Biotechnology
    and Biological Sciences Research Council
    .


    Even more chilling is the potential impact on our leading scientific
    institutions, the Royal
    Society
    and the Academy
    of Medical Sciences
    , both of which receive very significant amount of
    their funding from government. Will they no longer be able to review health and
    science policy if their findings might challenge government policy?


    And who will decide what constitutes “lobbying” and is therefore banned and
    what is simply scientists talking about the implications of their research
    findings? Censorship would irreparably damage scientific enquiry and debate in
    the UK and make the country a much less desirable destination for scientists and
    scientific investment. It would also lead to the growth of US-style anti-science
    “thinktanks”, as described in Naomi Oreskes and Erik Conway’s recent book


    If the new directive has the effect of sending
    scientists back into their labs, then taxpayers will be the big
    losers

    It is not clear what sanctions could be applied to anyone who ignores the
    anti-lobbying “directive”. They couldn’t be prosecuted, but it has been rumoured
    that researchers found culpable of lobbying would be made to pay the money back.
    Of course, this would be impossible as the grant money would have been spent. In
    reality this directive appears to have been designed to scare researchers away
    from issues the government doesn’t want explored. It will have a chilling effect
    on researchers, especially those already reluctant to speak out because their
    findings are contentious and inconvenient for ministers, whether they concern
    alcohol pricing, climate change or psychoactive substances.


    I have direct experience of how ministers dislike having to deal with
    scientific evidence that contradicts their policy. I was threatened with
    dismissal by two Home Office ministers and then
    sacked after publicising the findings of my peer-reviewed research

    into the
    relative harms of drugs
    in 2009. Rather than hearing that evidence,
    assessing it and honestly rejecting it on the grounds that it clashed with party
    policy, ministers instead sacked
    me from my role as independent adviser on drugs
    .


    The message to other scientists with inconvenient evidence was clear, and it
    saddens me greatly that this is the same message being sent by this new missive:
    the awkward squad should stay out of the debate. It’s likely that a secret
    blacklist of “dissident” scientists will be kept.


    New rules could stop
    state-funded scientists advising ministers and make it easier for companies and
    campaign groups to sway government decisions

    Why has this directive been developed? The argument goes that it is wrong to
    use taxpayers’ money to lobby against the elected government. But it’s only by
    examining all the evidence – which could be for as well as against – that we can
    be certain that current policies are the best they can be.


    If the new directive has the effect of sending scientists back into their
    labs and preventing them from talking publicly about their research, then
    taxpayers will be the big losers. They will have less access to fully
    independent research on key issues of health and welfare and environmental
    change, making it easier for them to be hoodwinked by political and commercial
    interests.


    All scientists should support their parent institutions and professional
    colleges in lobbying to oppose this appalling insult to freedom of thought and
    research. They can start by signing Bob
    Ward’s online petition
    to “exempt grants for academic research from
    new ‘anti-lobbying’ regulation”. And if you’re not a scientist but care about
    research being censored, you should sign it too.


Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭Samaris


    I don't like this at all. We saw far too much of this during the Bush administration in the US during those years and the damage done to the government scientist pool is immeasurable. (I can give examples and sourcing if anyone is thinking I'm having a go at some Republican :P)

    Science is about narrowing down the possibilities towards a coherent answer to a question by specific methods. A government or political think tank may be entitled to its own opinions, but it's not entitled to its own brand of science, nor its own facts.

    Note about the petition - can only sign it if you're a UK resident or British citizen. Alas, I could have signed it last year. :(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭The_Valeyard


    This has been happening since the cold war.

    Probably even longer.


    Lot of bad science out there. Especially with corporations and businesses trying to promote their product.

    Some scientists are no better than mystic Meg.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    This has been happening since the cold war.

    Probably even longer.


    Lot of bad science out there.

    So you think government of the day should decide what is bad science and what is good science?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭The_Valeyard


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    So you think government of the day should decide what is bad science and what is good science?

    Of course not. Ridiculous notion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Of course not. Ridiculous notion.


    It is but unfortunately that is what's happening.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭Samaris


    The Valeyard - Yes, bad science happens. But the examples you specifically cite include big business and corporations which is a private venture and to some extent down to the personal integrity of the scientists and the corporations.

    Scientists have to value their integrity or they will become known as mere shills. It doesn't take much for their research to be discredited if there's any dubiousness about their methods or findings and that can have a career-long effect on the person. Still, the lure of money can be damaging and private ventures are more likely to not challenge a favourable answer or, more to the point, not hire a second time a scientist that doesn't give that favourable answer.

    This absolutely should not happen in publicly funded science.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭The_Valeyard


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    It is but unfortunately that is what's happening.

    But I think on its already been happening for a long time now. Certain interest groups want the results in their favour so they hire dubious scientists than can give them those results. Scientists are no different from anyone else really, greed can be a motivator. Corruption in all walks of life


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,450 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Samaris wrote: »
    A government or political think tank may be entitled to its own opinions, but it's not entitled to its own brand of science, nor its own facts.
    steddyeddy wrote: »
    So you think government of the day should decide what is bad science and what is good science?


    Hasn't this always been the way though? That politics and science were always related, and whoever funded the research called the tune - "Come up with results that validate our agenda... or else!"

    Been happening back and far as Galileo and Confucius I'd say, when patrons funded scientific ehh... "discovery", in the same way they funded the arts.

    Look at how science is being influenced by political lobby groups already. The only thing that surprises me about this move is that anyone is surprised by it!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,116 ✭✭✭RDM_83 again


    There is a counter argument in support of this measure.

    Its very easy to publish a research paper to support your particular views, look at the paper that got Prof Nutt removed from his government role, it does appear to have a ideological slant, look at how he positions alcohol in terms of harm to individual users (4th most harmful drug) yet meta analysis shows that alcohol consumption (even to fairly high levels) correlates with longer life expectancy, even at the huge levels of use alcohol overdose deaths are less than opiates AFAIK, whats the comparison on persistent low level use between drugs on mood and health.
    Having read the paper (ages ago) it seems designed to make an ideological point about policy dependent on rather than make a neutral statement or testing of hypothesis, its experimental method was in effect to ask a number of experts (10) to rate the harm of drugs. I would hold the (probably controversial view) that the study wasn't a scientific analysis of harm but rather a survey of how harmful a small group of experts perceive substances to be.

    If a researcher is in receipt of public funding I don't believe that it is wrong for them to be held to a high standard of neutrality in terms of their research designs and public statements. I believe that this should work both ways and researchers should also not make statements that are in support of government policy, they should simply present their data rather than using it as a personal platform.


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