New 40 minutes classes

franktennis

With the advent of each class being at least 40mins long could I have examples of new ateaching day. Our Prin is looking for suggestions

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solerina

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franktennis

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km79

franktennis wrote: »

With the advent of each class being at least 40mins long could I have examples of new ateaching day. Our Prin is looking for suggestions

Thanks

Is this still happening in every school from September or just proposed ........its part of the new JC right which hasn't been accepted in Asti schools ?

mirrorwall14

I thought our principal said its not compulsory until 2017?

I've been trying to get my head around the maths on the change in number of hours allocated for subjects.

Assuming 40 minute classes am I correct in calculating that you could potentially have a 4 5 5 set up for English, Irish and Maths? As in, its not necessary to have them every day in each of the three years to hit the minimum number of hours

Jamfa

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

I thought our principal said its not compulsory until 2017?

I've been trying to get my head around the maths on the change in number of hours allocated for subjects.

Assuming 40 minute classes am I correct in calculating that you could potentially have a 4 5 5 set up for English, Irish and Maths? As in, its not necessary to have them every day in each of the three years to hit the minimum number of hours

The new subject specifications for English, Irish & Maths are designed for 240 hours which actually works out at 4 4 3. One class period = 22 hours. The changes are detailed in the recent DES circular & I suppose schools are run by BOMs & not unions when it comes to implementing timetabling directives.

mirrorwall14

Jesus, thats the minimum right? What on earth are they going to take out of the maths syllabus to allow us to teach it in 3/4 classes a week. I dread seeing it

And actually, where are the extra hours going. I mean if English, Irish and Maths are all potentially down 1-2 periods a week. As far as I'm aware science is supposed to be losing time too. And students are only allowed to take 10 subjects now!

Is there any sample timetables in that circular?

Jamfa

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

Jesus, thats the minimum right? What on earth are they going to take out of the maths syllabus to allow us to teach it in 3/4 classes a week. I dread seeing it

And actually, where are the extra hours going. I mean if English, Irish and Maths are all potentially down 1-2 periods a week. As far as I'm aware science is supposed to be losing time too. And students are only allowed to take 10 subjects now!

Is there any sample timetables in that circular?

It's the minimum so most schools likely to offer more. The management bodies will receive inputs by support services on timetabling etc & there's the whole area of 400 hours for Wellbeing to be factored in. Many new schools have gone to 1 hr lessons & the 21:20 max teaching timetable might be problematic for them. Maths doesn't change until 2018.

mirrorwall14

Ok I'm doing some research (really for my own curiosity). One class period of 40 minutes over 3 years is 22 hours right? Students then have 42 class periods a week (28hrs of contact time in 40 minute slots). Is it 35 weeks or 36 weeks in a teaching school year?

Found this in a guide a 2012 summary for the new Junior cycle

1. Gaeilge, English and Mathematics = 240 hours over three years. Minimum. (3S)
80 hours per academic year.
480 Minutes class contact or 120 x 40 minute lessons per annum


2. Other Subjects. 200 hours over three years. 66.6 hours per year minimum. (OS)
3996 minutes class contact
Circa 100 x 40 minute lessons per annum

3. Short courses. Page 13. Approximately 100m hours over two or three years. (SC)
‘Off the Shelf’ Short Courses - NCCA developed x 8
Specification – Locally developed
Maximum of 4 to be included for certification
100 hours = 6000 minutes = 150 x 40 minute lessons over
2 years = 75 class periods per year or over
3 years = 50 class periods per year.

mirrorwall14

So assuming 36 teaching weeks in a school year here's a stab at a timetable working just off the idea of 10 subjects and no short courses.

English 4*40 per week = 96hrs (over 3 years 288hrs)
Irish 4*40 per week = 96hrs (over 3 years 288hrs)
Maths 4.*40 per week =96hrs (over 3 years 288hrs)

7 other subjects (I've just picked them randomly)
French 3*40 per week = 72hrs (over 3 years 216hrs)
History 3*40 per week = 72hrs (over 3 years 216hrs)
Geography 3*40 per week = 72hrs (over 3 years 216hrs)
Science 3*40 per week = 72hrs (over 3 years 216hrs)
Business 3*40 per week = 72hrs (over 3 years 216hrs)
Music 3*40 per week = 72hrs (over 3 years 216hrs)
Home Ec 3*40 per week = 72hrs (over 3 years 216hrs)
Wellbeing 6*40 per week = 144hrs (over 3 years 432hrs) (NB 5 periods leaves you below the minimum of 400)

Running total of class periods 39 per week

3 classes Remain to be provided at the discretion of the school

Are religious schools going to be allowed to offer religion as a non examinable subject still, maybe out of those 3 periods? Edit: Found this in the framework-they are

I also see one major flaw in the above in relation to short courses. If 2 short courses make up one primary subject that timetable above doesn't allow for an easy timetable switch for time tabling courses in parallel to each other

I'm not sure there will be an easy solution to time tabling these requirements, or at least not one that won't need to be different from year to year! And it's going to have massive knock on effects on hours. Looking at that both of my subjects maths and music are potentially loosing hours so the part timers in my departments are at risk-the wellbeing course is epic and is taking up class periods from the academic side. We had 4 class periods of 35/40 currently used for PE/CSPE/SPHE. That is now jumping to 6 definite 40 minute periods

Oh and final question, does anyone know if the wellbeing course has to be taught by the same teacher for all elements of it or can it be assigned to different teachers. As in it is limited to PE teachers only?

Jamfa

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

So assuming 36 teaching weeks in a school year here's a stab at a timetable working just off the idea of 10 subjects and no short courses.

English 4*40 per week = 96hrs (over 3 years 288hrs)
Irish 4*40 per week = 96hrs (over 3 years 288hrs)
Maths 4.*40 per week =96hrs (over 3 years 288hrs)

7 other subjects (I've just picked them randomly)
French 3*40 per week = 72hrs (over 3 years 216hrs)
History 3*40 per week = 72hrs (over 3 years 216hrs)
Geography 3*40 per week = 72hrs (over 3 years 216hrs)
Science 3*40 per week = 72hrs (over 3 years 216hrs)
Business 3*40 per week = 72hrs (over 3 years 216hrs)
Music 3*40 per week = 72hrs (over 3 years 216hrs)
Home Ec 3*40 per week = 72hrs (over 3 years 216hrs)
Wellbeing 6*40 per week = 144hrs (over 3 years 432hrs) (NB 5 periods leaves you below the minimum of 400)

Running total of class periods 39 per week

3 classes Remain to be provided at the discretion of the school

Are religious schools going to be allowed to offer religion as a non examinable subject still, maybe out of those 3 periods? Edit: Found this in the framework-they are

I also see one major flaw in the above in relation to short courses. If 2 short courses make up one primary subject that timetable above doesn't allow for an easy timetable switch for time tabling courses in parallel to each other

I'm not sure there will be an easy solution to time tabling these requirements, or at least not one that won't need to be different from year to year! And it's going to have massive knock on effects on hours. Looking at that both of my subjects maths and music are potentially loosing hours so the part timers in my departments are at risk-the wellbeing course is epic and is taking up class periods from the academic side. We had 4 class periods of 35/40 currently used for PE/CSPE/SPHE. That is now jumping to 6 definite 40 minute periods

Oh and final question, does anyone know if the wellbeing course has to be taught by the same teacher for all elements of it or can it be assigned to different teachers. As in it is limited to PE teachers only?

The timetabling of the 400 hours is to be finalised but must include PE, CSPE & SPHE & these can be taught by different teachers. The school will have to show how 'wellbeing' is timetabled but it could be as part of a subject or short course or other learning experiences such as retreats, sports days etc. The timetable will also have to incorporate the 24 statements of learning.

mirrorwall14

Oh thats rather open to interpretation isn't it? Like we bring each year group on a weekend trip to Killary, could that be counted as wellbeing hours? Or we have study skills workshops run annually, that would fall under that as well (they are within school time as such though they are taken out of other classes for it)