Netflix detecting my Proxy (Hola)

MarkAnthony

I'm not looking to get into a discussion of how to bypass that I have google still :pac: but is this a new thing. I was happily watching US netflix last night.

degsie

Welcome to the world of enforced Netflix geoblocking. This has been known for a while.


ibtl?

MarkAnthony

degsie wrote: »

Welcome to the world of enforced Netflix geoblocking. This has been known for a while.


ibtl?

Surprised it took them that long to spot Hola!

Ibtl?

ED E

In before thread lock

Skatedude

They are detecting shared ip's. so if you use a vpn that supplies a dedicated ip for just your account, then you should be fine.

Some companies offer that service.

degsie

ED E wrote: »

In before thread lock

Actually..

Johnboy1951

Just asking for info ...... is discussion of methods to avoid geo-blocking against the charter of this forum?

I had a quick read through and did not notice it and that is the ONLY reason I am asking.

Thanks.

ED E

Netflix is licensed to show user X Content in Y country. If you view it from Z then you are not licensed to watch it and its piracy just the same as if you torrented it.

Dymo

Just when pirating was starting to die, and people prefer the option of paying for content, now they stop people from accessing content in a different country which will lead people to pirate it anyway.

If someone was able to use a VPN they will be able to use pirate service

Del2005

There are bigger issues with Hola than Netflix blocking it.

511

I expect a lot of Europeans will cancel their subscriptions, the US Netflix has more and better content.

ED E wrote: »

Netflix is licensed to show user X Content in Y country. If you view it from Z then you are not licensed to watch it and its piracy just the same as if you torrented it.

It's not the same as torrenting as torrenting is free. The people circumventing geo-blocking are still subscribing to Netflix. Granted, though, the American Netflix is cheaper.

ted1

ED E wrote: »

Netflix is licensed to show user X Content in Y country. If you view it from Z then you are not licensed to watch it and its piracy just the same as if you torrented it.

I don't think that is quite how the law works.

irishgeo

Del2005 wrote: »

There are bigger issues with Hola than Netflix blocking it.

People don't seem to realise that their own network/computer is now a hola node and anyone can use it to do what ever they want using your ip.

Cuddlesworth

irishgeo wrote: »

People don't seem to realise that their own network/computer is now a hola node and anyone can use it to do what ever they want using your ip.

Del2005 wrote: »

There are bigger issues with Hola than Netflix blocking it.

Welcome to the botnet of the future.

ED E

ted1 wrote: »

I don't think that is quite how the law works.

How you do it really matters nowt, you're either licensed to access the content or not.

511 wrote: »

It's not the same as torrenting as torrenting is free. The people circumventing geo-blocking are still subscribing to Netflix. Granted, though, the American Netflix is cheaper.

The content owners are not getting paid for it. Netflix pays for x million US subs for x months, they aren't paying for the rest of the world. All you do is line netflixes pocket and still aren't legitimate.

Johnboy1951

ED E wrote: »

How you do it really matters nowt, you're either licensed to access the content or not.



The content owners are not getting paid for it. Netflix pays for x million US subs for x months, they aren't paying for the rest of the world. All you do is line netflixes pocket and still aren't legitimate.

I don't understand how you can draw that conclusion.
Is it not likely that the content owners are paid per US Netflix account?
In which case they are getting paid.

Of course they are also paid per account in other jurisdictions ...... so your remark about 'the rest of the world' is also confusing.

ObeyTheSuit

No access to US content = torrents. People will watch it regardless of the old country licensing model or not. The difference is the content suppliers could have had a slice of the pie now they won't.

ED E

When you watch USNetflix through hola/similar from Ireland you are an IRISH Netflix User watching US netflix, unless your credit card is American.

Content holders negotiate deals per market. If the official US userbase is 82 Million but in reality 500mil international users are circumventing the controls that's a big loss for the content owners.

Skatedude

They are now detecting shared ip's, If hundreds of customers are using the same ip, then they will block them.
There are vpn companies that will provide a unique ip for business reasons but which by coincidence are very hard to block but that are for business use and should not be used to bypass regional blocks as they would be a naughty thing to do so you shouldn't do so.

ED E

Dedicated IP won't help for too long. If hollywood pushes hard enough it'll be simple enough to block any address that's owned by a VPN company. Then people will move to AWS/EC2 and they'll be blacklisted too. Cat agus luch.

Johnboy1951

ED E wrote: »

When you watch USNetflix through hola/similar from Ireland you are an IRISH Netflix User watching US netflix, unless your credit card is American.

That surprises me - but then I don't use Netflix.
From what little I have read in the past from posters on forums, they were paying for US accounts through some means, and so had US accounts.

It seems rather odd that Netflix do not compare the geo location of the accessing IP address with the account used to access the content, and thus flag the mis-use of foreign accounts to access US Netflix.

Content holders negotiate deals per market. If the official US userbase is 82 Million but in reality 500mil international users are circumventing the controls that's a big loss for the content owners.

batistuta9

i'd guess netflix didn't really care, they were getting paid after all, had the T&C's/basic geoblocking in place but only now are acting on vpns because of pressure from the content holders

Johnboy1951

batistuta9 wrote: »

i'd guess netflix didn't really care, they were getting paid after all, had the T&C's/basic geoblocking in place but only now are acting on vpns because of pressure from the content holders

Yes, I could see that as a strategy ....... essentially allow mis-use of the service in its early stages, to generate lots of interest and when 'critical mass' has been reached start to clamp down on it.

BigMoose

Would agree there, plus the content rights holders putting ever increasing pressure on them to do something about it as it has become more mainstream for folk to use such methods. That said, I would think Netflix risk seeing a large decrease in subscriber numbers. I am considering ditching it, not at all convinced the Irish content is worth the (soon to be increased) price.